Nope, George is not despised in any circles around here that I know of. How
'bout the rest of you circles out there?

Helium, I don't think your delicate sensibilities are cut out for tech
diving. Have you considered potting plants? I understand the techpotting
list is quite polite and accommodating to even the most tender, soft,
moist-eyed individual, a perfect match for you.

   Jim
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> From: <HeliumDiver@ao*.co*>
> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:50:56 EDT
> To: JJ@gu*.co*, cavers@cavers.com, techdiver@aq*.co*,
> mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*, trey@ne*.co*
> Subject: RE: OzTek 2000
> 
> JJ,
> 
> While I believe that canceling as they did was a shitty thing to do, you
> should realize that this kind of thing, however nasty, will continue to
> happen to you.  Why?  Because you closely associate yourself with
> George Irvine, a man widely despised in diving circles; not for his
> message but for his insensitive and nasty delivery.  You, by not denouncing
> his abusiveness, de facto condone and encourage it and are therefore a party
> to it.
> 
> If you don't like being treated badly, perhaps you should see to it that
> you don't treat others badly yourself.
> 
> 
>> With all due respect it is extremely unprofessional and, in my opinion,
>> dishonest to contact someone months ahead and over the course of several
>> communications requesting they join the show only to cancel two weeks
>> before the show. All the excuses as to why this fell apart are actually
>> more insulting than the games that came before. Nothing "fell apart" as you
>> suggest.  Like most people I hate to waste time but I am more resentful of
>> being treated like an idiot. Where you seeing this from my POV you would
>> likely agree. The games and dishonesty are the most troubling. Organizers
>> get to decide who they invite and I have no problem with that. Deception
>> and games are where the irritation lies.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> JJ
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