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Oh Billy, will you give up. It was said in fun, as a joke, or don't you guys know how to laugh????? Regards Dave. Yes he is a crim, but at the time Bondy was a hero! bdi@wh*.ne* wrote: > At 01:02 7/07/00 , David Blundell wrote: > >Well George, > > > >i'm sorry that you feel that way. > > > >i didn't think that they were trying to buy Nuclear triggers from you. > > > >But hey, like you say I'm wrong, TDI is wrong, we are all wrong. Silly me I > >forgot that the US is never wrong. I shall burn in hell for forgetting that. > > > >Do you have to speak for JJ all the time. > > > >You might not want to come here but others might. > > > >Come see the place where the only country in over a 100 years won the Americas > >cup off the Americans. > > Dave, don't even go there. You know our famous Americas cup > winner was notorious for not paying bills, bankrupted many > people, took the saving of thousands of small investors and > ended up doing a few stints in prison. > > For you to even mention the cup challenge in the context of > what we're discussing here says a lot about your powers of > discernment in this matter. > > rgrds billyw > > >Trey wrote: > > > > > No, you are full of shit and you are missing the point - they made a deal an > > > reneged - that guy will get no second chance - we do not deal with scumbags, > > > and Richard Taylor is a deadbeat and a scumbag. You can call it what you > > > want, it is a renege on a business deal. > > > > > > There is no "reason" that can justify behavior like this, so quit trying. > > > You are wrong. > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David Blundell <daveblundell@op*.co*.au*> > > > To: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>; Jarrod Jablonski <JJ@gu*.co*> > > > Cc: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>; John McMillan. <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>; > > > bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aq*.co*>; > > > cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com> > > > Date: Thursday, July 06, 2000 10:25 AM > > > Subject: Re: OzTek 2000 > > > > > > >Guys, > > > > > > > >For christ's sake get the bloody facts right. > > > > > > > >1 We have nothing to do with TDI full stop. > > > > > > > >2 Couldn't give a toss who put on the show. TDI, IANTD, GUE, PADI - who > > > >cares!!!!! > > > > > > > >3 We are divers who would go to any bloody show, because it is about > > > diving, > > > >not about bullshit on the internet. > > > > > > > >We pay our money we go. If next year you guys come, we pay our money we > > > go > > > > > > > >It is so simple maybe I should spell it out on the side of a tank. > > > > > > > >Richard organized the show, and he his doing a great job. When nobody else > > > does > > > >it or wants to do it. Is it any wonder. > > > > > > > >You factual information Research Engineers (Known as bullshit artists in > > > Aust.) > > > >living on the other side of the world have no bloody idea. > > > > > > > >Look at the bloody programme, and tell us all how to fit every single > > > person who > > > >has > > > >contributed to diving since its conception in to a single weekend, like > > > some of > > > >you suggest. > > > > > > > >I and a lot of us would have like to have met JJ, from what we hear he is a > > > >reasonable bloke who hasn't got his head up his arse. JJ coming over fell > > > apart > > > >and that's a pity. But I don't really care as to why as we all know that > > > it has > > > >nothing to do with DIR or similar bullshit reasons. If you lot hadn't > > > jumped on > > > >the band wagon and carried on, then one would like to think that JJ and > > > others > > > >would accept an invitation to come here next year. > > > > > > > >You lot have it so wrong that it is sad and unfortunate. > > > > > > > >To JJ, I am sorry that it didn't work out. Australia is a nice place and > > > you > > > >would have enjoyed it. Hopefully you can see above the bullshit and be > > > able to > > > >come here in the near future. It has nothing to do with TDI or anti DIR. > > > > > > > >We have not had any shows like this for many years, and this is the second > > > one > > > >we have had recently. if it works out, and Richard doesn't burn out then > > > maybe > > > >there might be another next year. > > > > > > > >Hopefully we may see you then > > > > > > > >Regards > > > > > > > > > > > >Dave. > > > > > > > >Mike Bruic wrote: > > > > > > > >> John, by your own admission, it seems like JJ will not be at the Oz > > > Stroke > > > >> Festival because of politics, and politics alone. > > > >> > > > >> You wrote; > > > >> > > > >> >>Stick to diving your way and leave the > > > >> > >politics alone until you know what you are talking about. > > > >> > > > >> John, this says "everything" about you, and TDI. It would seem that you > > > >> clowns are scarred of showing the people of Australia the real deal in > > > >> diving in fear of loosing profit. Op's, I'm sorry, I forgot, you guys are > > > >> all about profit, profit, profit and nothing else but profit with piss > > > poor > > > >> instructors in my judgement after looking at your safety record (death > > > >> toll). > > > >> > > > >> Bruic > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> > > > >> To: John McMillan. <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>; <bdi@wh*.ne*>; Aquanaut > > > Mail > > > >> <techdiver@aq*.co*> > > > >> Cc: <cavers@cavers.com> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 6:09 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: OzTek 2000 > > > >> > > > >> > John, you are way off base here. Let's look at the facts; your TDI boy > > > >> > arranged a conference. JJ was asked to speak. The conference promised > > > to > > > >> pay > > > >> > all of his expenses. > > > >> > > > > >> > JJ agreed, and he made his arrangements, and adjusted his schedule > > > >> > accordingly. He is a man of his word, and thought he was dealing with > > > >> like. > > > >> > > > > >> > HE WAS NOT. He was dealing with bullshit. This is not politics, this > > > is > > > >> bad > > > >> > business and an example of what I have been saying about these people > > > all > > > >> > along, and once again, we are proven correct. > > > >> > > > > >> > Richard Taylor is a deadbeat and a liar, and you are no better for > > > >> defending > > > >> > behavior like this. There is no excuse for being lying scumbag, John, > > > but > > > >> if > > > >> > you want to try to tell me a good one, go ahead and put it on here for > > > all > > > >> > to see and judge. > > > >> > > > > >> > You guys are not fooling anyone . > > > >> > > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > From: John McMillan. <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*> > > > >> > To: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; trey@ne*.co* <trey@ne*.co*>; > > > Aquanaut > > > >> > Mail <techdiver@aq*.co*> > > > >> > Cc: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com> > > > >> > Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 4:25 PM > > > >> > Subject: Re: OzTek 2000 > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >Billy you couldn't lie straight in bed. All you are doing here is > > > fucking > > > >> > up > > > >> > >something you know nothing about. Stick to diving your way and leave > > > the > > > >> > >politics alone until you know what you are talking about. > > > >> > > > > > >> > >Johnny Mack > > > >> > >Down Under. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > >From: <bdi@wh*.ne*> > > > >> > >To: <trey@ne*.co*>; Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aq*.co*> > > > >> > >Cc: <cavers@cavers.com> > > > >> > >Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:17 AM > > > >> > >Subject: Re: OzTek 2000 > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >> At 08:26 2/07/00 , Trey wrote: > > > >> > >> >Jarrod, is it true the organizer of Oztec 2000 is the local head > > > of > > > >> > TDI? > > > >> > >Is > > > >> > >> >it true that he is a deep air fan? Is it also true that he was on > > > the > > > >> > >boat > > > >> > >> >when Rob Palmer died? > > > >> > >> >Is it true that this Oztec had Batman as its star speaker last > > > year, > > > >> and > > > >> > >> >that this year they have his wannabe little brother and a list of > > > >> > strokes > > > >> > >> >that would bring tears of laughter to an American audience? > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> >JJ, sounds like you got lucky. Unfortunately , anyone who wanted > > > the > > > >> > real > > > >> > >> >deal got fucked, but then if anyone thought they were going to get > > > any > > > >> > >> >different out of TDI, well then they need to see PT Barnum. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Trey, I forwarded JJ's note to the Australian cave diving list > > > >> > >> and got a fairly rapid response from the head of TDI Australia > > > >> > >> (organisers of OzTec 2000). Well, a couple of responses actually. > > > >> > >> One public, and one private one. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> In his public response, the local TDI head wrote: > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > "Tell you what Billy, you give the $2500 to get them here and > > > >> > >> > I will help you organise another show. Aside from that, it is > > > >> > >> > none of your business." > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> So he won't take JJ & Robert's money but he'll take mine, and > > > >> > >> it's still none of my business. And JJ and Robert still aren't > > > >> > >> welcome. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> So here, publically, I'm offering the $2,500 for him to put > > > >> > >> Jarrod and Robert back on the programme and back in the show, > > > >> > >> under the previously agreed terms, if he hasn't managed to piss > > > >> > >> them off completely. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> But I don't think this is about money. I think that's a smoke- > > > >> > >> screen. JJ already offered him the money and still got refused. > > > >> > >> I think there's another agenda running here. When I asked the > > > >> > >> TDI guy how hard Guilliam was pulling his string, he got very > > > >> > >> excited. Even asked me to go round and visit him. I said that > > > >> > >> wasn't necessary 'cause I'd be quite happy to hear his confession > > > >> > >> by email. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> There's too much hubris round these people. I can't forget that > > > >> > >> when these same people had the opportunity to finally disassociate > > > >> > >> glamour and deep air diving when Rob Palmer killed himself, they > > > >> > >> lied instead. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Anyway there's eight of us DIR divers in Sydney who regularly > > > >> > >> charter boats and dive together. If anyone in Sydney wants to > > > >> > >> bypass the bullshit and the run-around and go straight to the > > > >> > >> real stuff email me. We can arrange DIR-friendly training, > > > >> > >> equipment that isn't priced to make your nose bleed, sound deco > > > >> > >> advice,good fun diving with people who tell the truth. and, > > > >> > >> (as the t-shirt says): > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> no deep air no personal preference > > > >> > >> no stuffed hose no bondage wings no > > > >> > >> air bail-out no steel slings no dual > > > >> > >> bladders no wrong deco no stroke mix > > > >> > >> no tom no brett no bazza no rt > > > >> > >> N O S T R O K E S !!! > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Life's too short and there's too much ocean to dive for all > > > >> > >> the underhand stuff. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> rgrds billyw > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> >->>>From: Jarrod Jablonski <JJ@gu*.co*> > > > >> > >> > >>>To: Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au* > > > >> > >> > >>><Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*>; quest@gu*.co* > > > >> > ><quest@gu*.co*> > > > >> > >> > >>>Date: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:47 AM > > > >> > >> > >>>Subject: Re: OzTek 2000 > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > >> > >> > >>> >This one is classic. > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> >They ask me six or more months ago to present and I committed > > > to > > > >> > > > >> > >the > > > >> > >> > >date. > > > >> > >> > >>> >Leaving the country during prime exploration is not something > > > I > > > >> > >take > > > >> > >> > >>> >lightly and I pushed several other obligations away, kept the > > > >> spot > > > >> > >open > > > >> > >> > >>> >despite several good opportunities, and promised my > > > girlfriend a > > > >> > >trip > > > >> > >> >to > > > >> > >> > >>> >Australia. > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> >They had agreed to pay my way over or to have the company > > > >> sponsor > > > >> > >the > > > >> > >> > >event > > > >> > >> > >>> >and get a free booth. We agreed to the latter. > > > >> > >> > >>> >Then two weeks before departure they send me a mail that says > > > we > > > >> > >have > > > >> > >> > >>> >pulled your speaking spot because we no longer feel we can > > > >> > properly > > > >> > >> > >support > > > >> > >> > >>> >your presence. In essence the show is not doing well enough > > > to > > > >> let > > > >> > >you > > > >> > >> > >have > > > >> > >> > >>> >a booth but we are too crowded to make a free space for you. > > > >> > Rather > > > >> > >> > >>> >oxymoronic. Of course none of this applied to any speakers > > > other > > > >> > >than > > > >> > >> > >>>myslef. > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> >Feeling pretty certain what games where being played I then > > > >> > >volunteered > > > >> > >> > >to > > > >> > >> > >>> >pay my own way, and asked about buying a booth. Their > > > response. > > > >> No > > > >> > >> > >>>thanks<G> > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> >Personally the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth but > > > I > > > >> am > > > >> > >sure > > > >> > >> > >>> >that I can find a way to occupy the time with diving and now > > > I > > > >> > have > > > >> > >a > > > >> > >> > >>> >better feel for the political games being played by people > > > >> > >seemingly > > > >> > >> > >afraid > > > >> > >> > >>> >of information. However, I missed the opportunity to meet > > > people > > > >> > >> > >interested > > > >> > >> > >>> >in diving outside of politics and I have an angry girlfriend. > > > We > > > >> > >plan > > > >> > >> >to > > > >> > >> > >>> >come over on our own in the near future for some DIR > > > >> > >demonstrations. > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> >Politics at its best. > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> >Best, > > > >> > >> > >>> >JJ > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> >At 07:47 AM 6/26/2000 +1100, > > > >> > >Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au* > > > >> > >> > >wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>> >>Does any one have any idea why JJ and Robert are no longer > > > >> coming > > > >> > >to > > > >> > >> > >OzTek > > > >> > >> > >>> >>2000 in Melbourne next month. > > > >> > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > >> > >>> >>We were all looking forward to seeing and hearing from them > > > >> both > > > >> > >and > > > >> > >> > >now > > > >> > >> > >>> >>nothing... > > > >> > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > >> > > > > >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > >> > >>> >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* > > > >> > >> > >>> >>For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> >Jarrod Jablonski > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> >President- > > > >> > >> > >>> >Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com > > > >> > >> > >>> >CEO Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com > > > >> > >> > >>> >VP Halcyon Manufacturing www.halcyon.net, > > > www.browniedive.com, > > > >> > >> > >>>www.tankfill.com > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> >Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com > > > >> > >> > >>> >GUE is a non-profit educational, research, and exploratory > > > >> > >organization > > > >> > >> > >>> >with hundreds of dedicated members around the world. > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> >Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com > > > >> > >> > >>> >Extreme Exposure and Halcyon manufacturing produce some of > > > the > > > >> > >scuba > > > >> > >> > >>> >industry's most novel and robust diving equipment designed by > > > >> many > > > >> > >of > > > >> > >> > >>> >diving's most active explorers. > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > >> > >>> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* > > > >> > >> > >>> >For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > >> > >> > >>> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > >> > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* > > > >> > >> > >>>For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* > > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > >>Jarrod Jablonski > > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > >>President- > > > >> > >> > >>Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com > > > >> > >> > >>CEO Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com > > > >> > >> > >>VP Halcyon Manufacturing www.halcyon.net, www.browniedive.com, > > > >> > >> > >www.tankfill.com > > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > >>Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com > > > >> > >> > >>GUE is a non-profit educational, research, and exploratory > > > >> > >organization > > > >> > >> > >>with hundreds of dedicated members around the world. > > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > >>Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com > > > >> > >> > >>Extreme Exposure and Halcyon manufacturing produce some of the > > > >> scuba > > > >> > >> > >>industry's most novel and robust diving equipment designed by > > > many > > > >> of > > > >> > >> > >>diving's most active explorers. > > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > >-- > > > >> > >> > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > > >> > `techdiver@aq*.co*'. > > > >> > >> > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > > >> > >`techdiver-request@aq*.co*'. > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> >-- > > > >> > >> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > > > >> `techdiver@aq*.co*'. > > > >> > >> >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > > > >> `techdiver-request@aq*.co*'. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
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