Mike, would you do business with these guys?
Is there anyone on this list who would do
business with these guys?

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>
To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>; John McMillan.
<mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>; bdi@wh*.ne*
<bdi@wh*.ne*>; Aquanaut Mail
<techdiver@aq*.co*>
Cc: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: OzTek 2000


>John, by your own admission, it seems like
JJ will not be at the Oz Stroke
>Festival because of politics, and politics
alone.
>
>You wrote;
>
>>>Stick to diving your way and leave the
>> >politics alone until you know what you
are talking about.
>
>John, this says "everything" about you, and
TDI. It would seem that you
>clowns are scarred of showing the people of
Australia the real deal in
>diving in fear of loosing profit. Op's, I'm
sorry, I forgot, you guys are
>all about profit, profit, profit and nothing
else but profit with piss poor
>instructors in my judgement after looking at
your safety record (death
>toll).
>
>Bruic
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
>To: John McMillan.
<mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>; <bdi@wh*.ne*>;
Aquanaut Mail
><techdiver@aq*.co*>
>Cc: <cavers@cavers.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 6:09 PM
>Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
>
>
>> John, you are way off base here. Let's
look at the facts; your TDI boy
>> arranged a conference. JJ was asked to
speak. The conference promised to
>pay
>> all of his expenses.
>>
>> JJ agreed, and he made his arrangements,
and adjusted his schedule
>> accordingly. He is a man of his word, and
thought he was dealing with
>like.
>>
>> HE WAS NOT. He was dealing with bullshit.
This is not politics,  this is
>bad
>> business and an example of what I have
been saying about these people all
>> along, and once again, we are proven
correct.
>>
>> Richard Taylor is a deadbeat and a liar,
and you are no better for
>defending
>> behavior like this. There is no excuse for
being lying scumbag, John, but
>if
>> you want to try to tell me a good one, go
ahead and put it on here for all
>> to see and judge.
>>
>> You guys are not fooling anyone .
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John McMillan.
<mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>
>> To: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>;
trey@ne*.co* <trey@ne*.co*>; Aquanaut
>> Mail <techdiver@aq*.co*>
>> Cc: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 4:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
>>
>>
>> >Billy you couldn't lie straight in bed.
All you are doing here is fucking
>> up
>> >something you know nothing about. Stick
to diving your way and leave the
>> >politics alone until you know what you
are talking about.
>> >
>> >Johnny Mack
>> >Down Under.
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: <bdi@wh*.ne*>
>> >To: <trey@ne*.co*>; Aquanaut Mail
<techdiver@aq*.co*>
>> >Cc: <cavers@cavers.com>
>> >Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:17 AM
>> >Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
>> >
>> >
>> >> At 08:26  2/07/00 , Trey wrote:
>> >> >Jarrod, is it true the  organizer of
Oztec 2000 is the local head of
>> TDI?
>> >Is
>> >> >it true that he is a deep air fan? Is
it also true that he was on the
>> >boat
>> >> >when Rob Palmer died?
>> >> >Is it true that this Oztec had Batman
as its star speaker last year,
>and
>> >> >that this year they have his wannabe
little brother and a list of
>> strokes
>> >> >that would bring tears of laughter to
an American audience?
>> >> >
>> >> >JJ, sounds like you got lucky.
Unfortunately , anyone who wanted the
>> real
>> >> >deal got fucked, but then if anyone
thought they were going to get any
>> >> >different out of TDI, well then they
need to see PT Barnum.
>> >>
>> >> Trey, I forwarded JJ's note to the
Australian cave diving list
>> >> and got a fairly rapid response from
the head of TDI Australia
>> >> (organisers of OzTec 2000). Well, a
couple of responses actually.
>> >> One public, and one private one.
>> >>
>> >> In his public response, the local TDI
head wrote:
>> >>
>> >>  > "Tell you what Billy, you give the
$2500 to get them here and
>> >>  > I will help you organise another
show. Aside from that, it is
>> >>  > none of your business."
>> >>
>> >> So he won't take JJ & Robert's money
but he'll take mine, and
>> >> it's still none of my business. And JJ
and Robert still aren't
>> >> welcome.
>> >>
>> >> So here, publically, I'm offering the
$2,500 for him to put
>> >> Jarrod and Robert back on the programme
and back in the show,
>> >> under the previously agreed terms, if
he hasn't managed to piss
>> >> them off completely.
>> >>
>> >> But I don't think this is about money.
I think that's a smoke-
>> >> screen. JJ already offered him the
money and still got refused.
>> >> I think there's another agenda running
here. When I asked the
>> >> TDI guy how hard Guilliam was pulling
his string, he got very
>> >> excited. Even asked me to go round and
visit him. I said that
>> >> wasn't necessary 'cause I'd be quite
happy to hear his confession
>> >> by email.
>> >>
>> >> There's too much hubris round these
people. I can't forget that
>> >> when these same people had the
opportunity to finally disassociate
>> >> glamour and deep air diving when Rob
Palmer killed himself, they
>> >> lied instead.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway there's eight of us DIR divers
in Sydney who regularly
>> >> charter boats and dive together. If
anyone in Sydney wants to
>> >> bypass the bullshit and the run-around
and go straight to the
>> >> real stuff email me. We can arrange
DIR-friendly training,
>> >> equipment that isn't priced to make
your nose bleed, sound deco
>> >> advice,good fun diving with people who
tell the truth. and,
>> >> (as the t-shirt says):
>> >>
>> >>        no deep air no personal
preference
>> >>       no stuffed hose no bondage wings
no
>> >>       air bail-out no steel slings no
dual
>> >>       bladders no wrong deco no stroke
mix
>> >>         no tom no brett no bazza no rt
>> >>               N O  S T R O K E S !!!
>> >>
>> >> Life's too short and there's too much
ocean to dive for all
>> >> the underhand stuff.
>> >>
>> >> rgrds        billyw
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >->>>From: Jarrod Jablonski
<JJ@gu*.co*>
>> >> > >>>To:
Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*
>> >> >
>>><Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*>;
quest@gu*.co*
>> ><quest@gu*.co*>
>> >> > >>>Date: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:47
AM
>> >> > >>>Subject: Re: OzTek 2000
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> >This one is classic.
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> >They ask me six or more months
ago to present and I committed to
>
>> >the
>> >> > >date.
>> >> > >>> >Leaving the country during prime
exploration is not something I
>> >take
>> >> > >>> >lightly and I pushed several
other obligations away, kept the
>spot
>> >open
>> >> > >>> >despite several good
opportunities, and promised my girlfriend a
>> >trip
>> >> >to
>> >> > >>> >Australia.
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> >They had agreed to pay my way
over or to have the company
>sponsor
>> >the
>> >> > >event
>> >> > >>> >and get a free booth. We agreed
to the latter.
>> >> > >>> >Then two weeks before departure
they send me a mail that says we
>> >have
>> >> > >>> >pulled your speaking spot
because we no longer feel we can
>> properly
>> >> > >support
>> >> > >>> >your presence. In essence the
show is not doing well enough to
>let
>> >you
>> >> > >have
>> >> > >>> >a booth but we are too crowded
to make a free space for you.
>> Rather
>> >> > >>> >oxymoronic. Of course none of
this applied to any speakers other
>> >than
>> >> > >>>myslef.
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> >Feeling pretty certain what
games where being played I then
>> >volunteered
>> >> > >to
>> >> > >>> >pay my own way, and asked about
buying a booth. Their response.
>No
>> >> > >>>thanks<G>
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> >Personally the whole thing
leaves a bad taste in my mouth but I
>am
>> >sure
>> >> > >>> >that I can find a way to occupy
the time with diving and now I
>> have
>> >a
>> >> > >>> >better feel for the political
games being played by people
>> >seemingly
>> >> > >afraid
>> >> > >>> >of information. However, I
missed the opportunity to meet people
>> >> > >interested
>> >> > >>> >in diving outside of politics
and I have an angry girlfriend. We
>> >plan
>> >> >to
>> >> > >>> >come over on our own in the near
future for some DIR
>> >demonstrations.
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> >Politics at its best.
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> >Best,
>> >> > >>> >JJ
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> >At 07:47 AM 6/26/2000 +1100,
>> >Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*
>> >> > >wrote:
>> >> > >>> >>Does any one have any idea why
JJ and Robert are no longer
>coming
>> >to
>> >> > >OzTek
>> >> > >>> >>2000 in Melbourne next month.
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >>We were all looking forward to
seeing and hearing from them
>both
>> >and
>> >> > >now
>> >> > >>> >>nothing...
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>> >>
>> >> > >>>
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>> >> > >>> >Jarrod Jablonski
>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> >President-
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>> >> > >>> >
>> >> > >>> >Global Underwater Explorers
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>> >organization
>> >> > >>> >with hundreds of dedicated
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>> >> > >>> >Extreme Exposure and Halcyon
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>> >> > >>> >industry's most novel and robust
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>> >> > >>Jarrod Jablonski
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>President-
>> >> > >>Global Underwater Explorers
www.gue.com
>> >> > >>CEO Extreme Exposure
www.extreme-exposure.com
>> >> > >>VP Halcyon Manufacturing
www.halcyon.net, www.browniedive.com,
>> >> > >www.tankfill.com
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Global Underwater Explorers
www.gue.com
>> >> > >>GUE is a non-profit educational,
research, and exploratory
>> >organization
>> >> > >>with hundreds of dedicated members
around the world.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Extreme Exposure
www.extreme-exposure.com
>> >> > >>Extreme Exposure and Halcyon
manufacturing produce some of the
>scuba
>> >> > >>industry's most novel and robust
diving equipment designed by many
>of
>> >> > >>diving's most active explorers.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
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