Mike, would you do business with these guys? Is there anyone on this list who would do business with these guys? -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*> To: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>; John McMillan. <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>; bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aq*.co*> Cc: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com> Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 7:07 PM Subject: Re: OzTek 2000 >John, by your own admission, it seems like JJ will not be at the Oz Stroke >Festival because of politics, and politics alone. > >You wrote; > >>>Stick to diving your way and leave the >> >politics alone until you know what you are talking about. > >John, this says "everything" about you, and TDI. It would seem that you >clowns are scarred of showing the people of Australia the real deal in >diving in fear of loosing profit. Op's, I'm sorry, I forgot, you guys are >all about profit, profit, profit and nothing else but profit with piss poor >instructors in my judgement after looking at your safety record (death >toll). > >Bruic > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> >To: John McMillan. <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*>; <bdi@wh*.ne*>; Aquanaut Mail ><techdiver@aq*.co*> >Cc: <cavers@cavers.com> >Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 6:09 PM >Subject: Re: OzTek 2000 > > >> John, you are way off base here. Let's look at the facts; your TDI boy >> arranged a conference. JJ was asked to speak. The conference promised to >pay >> all of his expenses. >> >> JJ agreed, and he made his arrangements, and adjusted his schedule >> accordingly. He is a man of his word, and thought he was dealing with >like. >> >> HE WAS NOT. He was dealing with bullshit. This is not politics, this is >bad >> business and an example of what I have been saying about these people all >> along, and once again, we are proven correct. >> >> Richard Taylor is a deadbeat and a liar, and you are no better for >defending >> behavior like this. There is no excuse for being lying scumbag, John, but >if >> you want to try to tell me a good one, go ahead and put it on here for all >> to see and judge. >> >> You guys are not fooling anyone . >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John McMillan. <mcmillan_knit@on*.ne*.au*> >> To: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; trey@ne*.co* <trey@ne*.co*>; Aquanaut >> Mail <techdiver@aq*.co*> >> Cc: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com> >> Date: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 4:25 PM >> Subject: Re: OzTek 2000 >> >> >> >Billy you couldn't lie straight in bed. All you are doing here is fucking >> up >> >something you know nothing about. Stick to diving your way and leave the >> >politics alone until you know what you are talking about. >> > >> >Johnny Mack >> >Down Under. >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: <bdi@wh*.ne*> >> >To: <trey@ne*.co*>; Aquanaut Mail <techdiver@aq*.co*> >> >Cc: <cavers@cavers.com> >> >Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:17 AM >> >Subject: Re: OzTek 2000 >> > >> > >> >> At 08:26 2/07/00 , Trey wrote: >> >> >Jarrod, is it true the organizer of Oztec 2000 is the local head of >> TDI? >> >Is >> >> >it true that he is a deep air fan? Is it also true that he was on the >> >boat >> >> >when Rob Palmer died? >> >> >Is it true that this Oztec had Batman as its star speaker last year, >and >> >> >that this year they have his wannabe little brother and a list of >> strokes >> >> >that would bring tears of laughter to an American audience? >> >> > >> >> >JJ, sounds like you got lucky. Unfortunately , anyone who wanted the >> real >> >> >deal got fucked, but then if anyone thought they were going to get any >> >> >different out of TDI, well then they need to see PT Barnum. >> >> >> >> Trey, I forwarded JJ's note to the Australian cave diving list >> >> and got a fairly rapid response from the head of TDI Australia >> >> (organisers of OzTec 2000). Well, a couple of responses actually. >> >> One public, and one private one. >> >> >> >> In his public response, the local TDI head wrote: >> >> >> >> > "Tell you what Billy, you give the $2500 to get them here and >> >> > I will help you organise another show. Aside from that, it is >> >> > none of your business." >> >> >> >> So he won't take JJ & Robert's money but he'll take mine, and >> >> it's still none of my business. And JJ and Robert still aren't >> >> welcome. >> >> >> >> So here, publically, I'm offering the $2,500 for him to put >> >> Jarrod and Robert back on the programme and back in the show, >> >> under the previously agreed terms, if he hasn't managed to piss >> >> them off completely. >> >> >> >> But I don't think this is about money. I think that's a smoke- >> >> screen. JJ already offered him the money and still got refused. >> >> I think there's another agenda running here. When I asked the >> >> TDI guy how hard Guilliam was pulling his string, he got very >> >> excited. Even asked me to go round and visit him. I said that >> >> wasn't necessary 'cause I'd be quite happy to hear his confession >> >> by email. >> >> >> >> There's too much hubris round these people. I can't forget that >> >> when these same people had the opportunity to finally disassociate >> >> glamour and deep air diving when Rob Palmer killed himself, they >> >> lied instead. >> >> >> >> Anyway there's eight of us DIR divers in Sydney who regularly >> >> charter boats and dive together. If anyone in Sydney wants to >> >> bypass the bullshit and the run-around and go straight to the >> >> real stuff email me. We can arrange DIR-friendly training, >> >> equipment that isn't priced to make your nose bleed, sound deco >> >> advice,good fun diving with people who tell the truth. and, >> >> (as the t-shirt says): >> >> >> >> no deep air no personal preference >> >> no stuffed hose no bondage wings no >> >> air bail-out no steel slings no dual >> >> bladders no wrong deco no stroke mix >> >> no tom no brett no bazza no rt >> >> N O S T R O K E S !!! >> >> >> >> Life's too short and there's too much ocean to dive for all >> >> the underhand stuff. >> >> >> >> rgrds billyw >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >->>>From: Jarrod Jablonski <JJ@gu*.co*> >> >> > >>>To: Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au* >> >> > >>><Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au*>; quest@gu*.co* >> ><quest@gu*.co*> >> >> > >>>Date: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:47 AM >> >> > >>>Subject: Re: OzTek 2000 >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >This one is classic. >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> >They ask me six or more months ago to present and I committed to > >> >the >> >> > >date. >> >> > >>> >Leaving the country during prime exploration is not something I >> >take >> >> > >>> >lightly and I pushed several other obligations away, kept the >spot >> >open >> >> > >>> >despite several good opportunities, and promised my girlfriend a >> >trip >> >> >to >> >> > >>> >Australia. >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> >They had agreed to pay my way over or to have the company >sponsor >> >the >> >> > >event >> >> > >>> >and get a free booth. We agreed to the latter. >> >> > >>> >Then two weeks before departure they send me a mail that says we >> >have >> >> > >>> >pulled your speaking spot because we no longer feel we can >> properly >> >> > >support >> >> > >>> >your presence. In essence the show is not doing well enough to >let >> >you >> >> > >have >> >> > >>> >a booth but we are too crowded to make a free space for you. >> Rather >> >> > >>> >oxymoronic. Of course none of this applied to any speakers other >> >than >> >> > >>>myslef. >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> >Feeling pretty certain what games where being played I then >> >volunteered >> >> > >to >> >> > >>> >pay my own way, and asked about buying a booth. Their response. >No >> >> > >>>thanks<G> >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> >Personally the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth but I >am >> >sure >> >> > >>> >that I can find a way to occupy the time with diving and now I >> have >> >a >> >> > >>> >better feel for the political games being played by people >> >seemingly >> >> > >afraid >> >> > >>> >of information. However, I missed the opportunity to meet people >> >> > >interested >> >> > >>> >in diving outside of politics and I have an angry girlfriend. We >> >plan >> >> >to >> >> > >>> >come over on our own in the near future for some DIR >> >demonstrations. >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> >Politics at its best. >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> >Best, >> >> > >>> >JJ >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> >At 07:47 AM 6/26/2000 +1100, >> >Gawain.Lynch@fe*.co*.au* >> >> > >wrote: >> >> > >>> >>Does any one have any idea why JJ and Robert are no longer >coming >> >to >> >> > >OzTek >> >> > >>> >>2000 in Melbourne next month. >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >>We were all looking forward to seeing and hearing from them >both >> >and >> >> > >now >> >> > >>> >>nothing... >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >>>------------------------------------------ --------------------------- >> >> > >>> >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* >> >> > >>> >>For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> >Jarrod Jablonski >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> >President- >> >> > >>> >Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com >> >> > >>> >CEO Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com >> >> > >>> >VP Halcyon Manufacturing www.halcyon.net, www.browniedive.com, >> >> > >>>www.tankfill.com >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> >Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com >> >> > >>> >GUE is a non-profit educational, research, and exploratory >> >organization >> >> > >>> >with hundreds of dedicated members around the world. >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> >Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com >> >> > >>> >Extreme Exposure and Halcyon manufacturing produce some of the >> >scuba >> >> > >>> >industry's most novel and robust diving equipment designed by >many >> >of >> >> > >>> >diving's most active explorers. >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> >> >>------------------------------------------- -------------------------- >> >> > >>> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* >> >> > >>> >For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >> >>>------------------------------------------ --------------------------- >> >> > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* >> >> > >>>For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* >> >> > >> >> >> > >>Jarrod Jablonski >> >> > >> >> >> > >>President- >> >> > >>Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com >> >> > >>CEO Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com >> >> > >>VP Halcyon Manufacturing www.halcyon.net, www.browniedive.com, >> >> > >www.tankfill.com >> >> > >> >> >> > >>Global Underwater Explorers www.gue.com >> >> > >>GUE is a non-profit educational, research, and exploratory >> >organization >> >> > >>with hundreds of dedicated members around the world. >> >> > >> >> >> > >>Extreme Exposure www.extreme-exposure.com >> >> > >>Extreme Exposure and Halcyon manufacturing produce some of the >scuba >> >> > >>industry's most novel and robust diving equipment designed by many >of >> >> > >>diving's most active explorers. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > >-- >> >> > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >> `techdiver@aq*.co*'. >> >> > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >> >`techdiver-request@aq*.co*'. >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >-- >> >> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >`techdiver@aq*.co*'. >> >> >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >`techdiver-request@aq*.co*'. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >
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