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OK rivers, you are fair game, uplug your network card if you want to keep that computer. RR has a shitty firewall, and you should update your copy of Balck Ice-it's too easy to clean up when I leave.-EZ ----- Original Message ----- From: <jrivers@ta*.rr*.co*> To: <trey@ne*.co*>; <jrivers@ta*.rr*.co*>; <jd_hill@ju*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 5:39 AM Subject: Re: Who is this guy? > I never claimed to have your track record. I never claimed to go as deep and as > far as you. I never claimed to do anything for cave diving, though you call it > a sport, I guess fox hunting, and big white van smash up derby is to you as > well. > > And what the fuck do you know about venture capital. You small time junk bond > broker. I have invested more in one internet startup than you will make in your > lifetime. > > You are correct my resume does not exemplify the qualifications of any member > of your team. I have never stated it does. > > But I do not want to be a member of your team. > > I am certain your holy water in Tally is the most pristine cave systems in the > world......... So leave the rest of the shitholes alone. Not everyone wants to > dive holy water....not everyone wants to go where the best have been. > > > I am certain if you were "World Water Dictator", the only people in any cave > system would be divers that do it your way, divers that have .000004 % body > fat, divers you rip off with your equipment 1000% markup sales, divers that buy > gear from your klan's shops. Yes we all know the statistics, your divers would > be number one with no fatalitites, a perfect safety record, and trophies > galore................................well wake up asshole.......how long have > you been preaching all this, how many years, think about it, this isn't > Microsoft, your perfect race of blue eyed blond haired divers are a rare breed > and always will be, and yes you may have the best, but they will not be the > only ones, remember "DICK"TATORship won't work here fuckhead. > > I have no need to show you how it is done, and never claimed I have the ability > to do so, and yes you can show me how it is done, I have never disagreed that > you don't know your shit. But I choose not let "you" do that. I have never > stated your methods of diving are wrong. However whenever you feel threatened > you attack people on this list, threaten them with lawsuits. > > What are you guys a monoply, wipe out all the other certification agencies. And > you say your not in it for the money........bullshit............. > > > and no, just as you tell the others that piss you off on this list.........."I > won't go away".................... > > > > > Rivers, who are you to discuss anything with us? Mabye you can get out > > your logbook, track record, contribution to the sport as well as show us > > what you have done for anyone lately and compare that to mine? Maybe you > > would like to come on up to Tallahasse and show me how it is done? Maybe > > you are just one more piece of "cave community" bullshit. > > > > I am not concerned with what my guys do off site other than that they > > are an embarassment to the team, and when they are, I am the first to > > point it out to everyone publicly, and when they then get killed being > > assholes and idiots, I am the first to point that out.They can be powers > > of example either way - I do not care. At our sites they will do it by > > the book . EITHER way they will prove me right. > > > > You need to either step up with some facts agd figures, or STFU. You do > > not have the resume to play with any of us, and your attempts to be a > > big tougth guy with my support staff are a joke. You just make it easier > > for me make my case about the whole cave diving community with your > > mindless, misdirected drivel and paranoid slop like "communist party" > > and "grand dragon" and " control the State's water supply" - the > > babbling of an true idiot. > > > > You are clearly a mental case as well as a half wit and a liar. > > "Venture captital"? You are already busted for ignorant stupidity in > > several posts that say maybe you invested in the local Mango stand. All > > of your turkey feather puffing is bullshit and the whole list can see > > it. There have been so many of "you" over the years on here who think > > they have the high ground with us - you do not - we have the TR - that > > is track record - something you will never have. > > > > You obviously have zero understanding of anything to do with diving or > > the kind of diving that we do. ZERO - you have never done it and you > > will never do it. You "think" you have a leg to stand on because you are > > probably friends with one of the do nothing big talkers who like to > > badmouth us, but I will invite you or any of them to tell me in my > > "communist" plan where any of your stupidity should come into play? > > Maybe you can tell me at what point in a dive like the kind I do that I > > should start listening to a fuckup like you or any of your mentors? How > > may feet into the cave should I start seeking the advice of a never been > > like you or whomever pulls your strings but does not have the balls to > > come out and tell me directly whey they are right and I am wrong?? You > > just let me know , "Rivers", and then tell me how it is done, and while > > you are at it, tell any of us what you have EVER done. Nothing is the > > answer, as you are a nobody from nowhere with nothing but bullshit to > > say, like the whoel "community". > > > > We keep doing and doing, you all keep yapping and complaining - get out > > here and show me how it is done. You have no answers, in fact you have > > nothing and never will. > > > > jrivers@ta*.rr*.co* wrote: > > > > > > Why do you idiots keep insisting I am a fake. I believe timing is of the > > > essence. I do not have any issues with anyone in particular, I have issues > with > > > people that preach, preach, preach and have a following that listens to > those > > > all mighty words and when the master DIR philospher goes on hiatus the rest > of > > > the klan decides to perform the unethical methods that the grand dragon was > > > preaching against. > > > > > > How many of the klan members can honestly state they don't do this. I have > been > > > to those so called "shitholes" that is frequented by them and unfortunately > > > most of the time it is not "them" in the cave, it is "them" the individual > on > > > their solo dive. > > > > > > I know who the players are out there. But you can only ride your high horse > for > > > so long. > > > > > > And I thought JD Hill was some washed up country singer................ > > > > > > Does anyone from Tampa know who this "jrivers@ta*.rr*.co*" is? > > > Obviously he is a phoney, but which one of the disgruntled is it? In > > > looking back at his pack of lies about himself , his glaring > > > inconsistencies, his large knowledge gaps, and his dementia with regard > > > to many of the players out there, it appears that what we have is a real > > > loser who is actually either one of the regulars or is a student of one > > > of the regulars. > > > > > > I'd like to see this guy either fess up or go ahead and continue to be a > > > fraud, but at least entertain us with why he is qualified to comment on > > > ANYTHING in cave diving, and perhaps give us a a glimpse of his all > > > encompassing knowledge of the sport that can help us all learn. > > > > > > Anyone have a clue here? Obviously this clown will not be answering this > > > - he has nothing to back him up, but maybe one of you know who he really > > > is and what his real problem is. Did he get outcast by the "Communist > > > Party" or what? He is clearly obsessed with these people and Mike Bruic. > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > > > >
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