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I never claimed to have your track record. I never claimed to go as deep and as 
far as you. I never claimed to do anything for cave diving, though you call it 
a sport, I guess fox hunting, and big white van smash up derby is to you as 
well.

And what the fuck do you know about venture capital. You small time junk bond 
broker. I have invested more in one internet startup than you will make in your 
lifetime.

You are correct my resume does not exemplify the qualifications of any member 
of your team. I have never stated it does.

But I do not want to be a member of your team.

I am certain your holy water in Tally is the most pristine cave systems in the 
world......... So leave the rest of the shitholes alone. Not everyone wants to 
dive holy water....not everyone wants to go where the best have been.


I am certain if you were "World Water Dictator", the only people in any cave 
system would be divers that do it your way, divers that have .000004 % body 
fat, divers you rip off with your equipment 1000% markup sales, divers that buy 
gear from your klan's shops. Yes we all know the statistics, your divers would 
be number one with no fatalitites, a perfect safety record, and trophies 
galore................................well wake up asshole.......how long have 
you been preaching all this, how many years, think about it, this isn't 
Microsoft, your perfect race of blue eyed blond haired divers are a rare breed 
and always will be, and yes you may have the best, but they will not be the 
only ones, remember "DICK"TATORship won't work here fuckhead.

I have no need to show you how it is done, and never claimed I have the ability 
to do so, and yes you can show me how it is done, I have never disagreed that 
you don't know your shit. But I choose not let "you" do that. I have never 
stated your methods of diving are wrong. However whenever you feel threatened 
you attack people on this list, threaten them with lawsuits. 

What are you guys a monoply, wipe out all the other certification agencies. And 
you say your not in it for the money........bullshit.............


and no, just as you tell the others that piss you off on this list.........."I 
won't go away".................... 



> Rivers, who are you to discuss anything with us? Mabye you can get out
> your logbook, track record, contribution to the sport as well as show us
> what you have done for anyone lately and compare that to mine? Maybe you
> would like to come on up to Tallahasse and show me how it is done? Maybe
> you are just one more piece of "cave community" bullshit.
> 
> I am not concerned with what my guys do off site other than that they
> are an embarassment to the team, and when they are, I am the first to
> point it out to everyone publicly, and when they then get killed being
> assholes and idiots, I am the first to point that out.They can be powers
> of example either way - I do not care. At our sites they will do it by
> the book . EITHER way they will prove me right. 
> 
>  You need to either step up with some facts agd figures, or STFU. You do
> not have the resume to play with any of us, and your attempts to be a
> big tougth guy with my support staff are a joke. You just make it easier
> for me make my case about the whole cave diving community with your
> mindless, misdirected drivel and paranoid slop like "communist party"
> and "grand dragon" and " control the State's water supply" - the
> babbling of an true idiot. 
> 
>  You are clearly a mental case as well as a half wit and a liar.
> "Venture captital"? You are already busted for ignorant stupidity in
> several posts that say maybe you invested in the local Mango stand. All
> of your turkey feather puffing is bullshit and the whole list can see
> it. There have been so many of "you" over the years on here who think
> they have the high ground with us - you do not - we have the TR - that
> is track record - something you will never have.
> 
>  You obviously have zero understanding of anything to do with diving or
> the kind of diving that we do. ZERO - you have never done it and you
> will never do it. You "think" you have a leg to stand on because you are
> probably friends with one of the do nothing big talkers who like to
> badmouth us, but I will invite you or any of them to tell me in my
> "communist" plan where any of your stupidity should come into play?
> Maybe you can tell me at what point in a dive like the kind I do that I
> should start listening to a fuckup like you or any of your mentors? How
> may feet into the cave should I start seeking the advice of a never been
> like you or whomever pulls your strings but does not have the balls to
> come out and tell me directly whey they are right and I am wrong??  You
> just let me know , "Rivers", and then tell me how it is done, and while
> you are at it, tell any of us what you have EVER done. Nothing is the
> answer, as you are a nobody from nowhere with nothing but bullshit to
> say, like the whoel "community".
> 
> We keep doing and doing, you all keep yapping and complaining - get out
> here and show me how it is done. You have no answers, in fact you have
> nothing and never will. 
> 
> jrivers@ta*.rr*.co* wrote:
> > 
> > Why do you idiots keep insisting I am a fake. I believe timing is of the
> > essence. I do not have any issues with anyone in particular, I have issues 
with
> > people that preach, preach, preach and have a following that listens to 
those
> > all mighty words and when the master DIR philospher goes on hiatus the rest 
of
> > the klan decides to perform the unethical methods that the grand dragon was
> > preaching against.
> > 
> > How many of the klan members can honestly state they don't do this. I have 
been
> > to those so called "shitholes" that is frequented by them and unfortunately
> > most of the time it is not "them" in the cave, it is "them" the individual 
on
> > their solo dive.
> > 
> > I know who the players are out there. But you can only ride your high horse 
for
> > so long.
> > 
> > And I thought JD Hill was some washed up country singer................
> > 
> > Does anyone from Tampa know who this "jrivers@ta*.rr*.co*" is?
> > Obviously he is a phoney, but which one of the disgruntled is it? In
> > looking back at his pack of lies about himself , his glaring
> > inconsistencies, his large knowledge gaps, and his dementia with regard
> > to many of the players out there, it appears that what we have is a real
> > loser who is actually either one of the regulars or is a student of one
> > of the regulars.
> > 
> > I'd like to see this guy either fess up or go ahead and continue to be a
> > fraud, but at least entertain us with why he is qualified to comment on
> > ANYTHING in cave diving, and perhaps give us a a glimpse of his all
> > encompassing knowledge of the sport that can help us all learn.
> > 
> > Anyone have a clue here? Obviously this clown will not be answering this
> > - he has nothing to back him up, but maybe one of you know who he really
> > is and what his real problem is. Did he get outcast by the "Communist
> > Party" or what? He is clearly obsessed with these people and Mike Bruic.
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