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Byron, Yo! Dumbfuck!! Over Here!! Now that I have your attention, listen up. The lists are private. That means no commercial advertising, period. Got It?? Just think, how many of the people you are talking to here are divemaster,instructors, shop owners etc. They would all love to send a little note about the latest class or event. Thats not what this list is about, and by and large we dont get ads here, because we dont want them. Trader John is a nice guy, and so is Silverstein, but if we let them send commercials, we have to allow everybody. Plus there is the issue of the time and effort spent administrating the list. Why should Ken Sallot get nothing for providing a vehicle for people to sell the advanced nitrox classes, or whatever. Trader John has an email list of his own, if you want his messages subscribe to that. This is different from a guy selling used stuff, or an invitation to come on a special trip, although i would think it best if those type of posts were once only. If your used junk doesnt move in the first 30 days, it never will. I also like to hear from the manufactures, when they give technical info, but not advertisemnts or come-ons< for example, Dell Motes recent post on manifolds- thanks Dell> Posts to the respective lists should also refer to that topic.Techdiver tends to be a free for all, cavers is or cavers. THey are happy to let you lurk, but dont waste peoples time w/ non cave stuff there. < example of cave stuff: are gaps better than tees? is it ok to scooter the hinkle? What is a hinkle? why would I scooter it? Will it hurt? Where is the best bbq near ginie? etc> So i am wondering why an ads for doria slides and gas blending training in Pennsylvania is on florida based cavers. These are issues that have been beaten to death here and elsewhere, i dont think anyone wants to change. its just the blithering clueless idiots who stumble online here yammer for a month and disappear who like this kind of stuff. I suspect the next we will hear is your deathbed conversion to dir, then complaints about GII's style when you are the 147,696th person to ask why not use steel tanks with a wetsuit bondage wings and force fins, a horrible burst of flames and then the inevitable half dozen unsubscribes, until you dissappear or get a clue and remerge under a hotmail account, again. Are you getting the idea that we have seen this bullshit before?? BTW the profanity is a green light to take the gloves off, ask a civil question for a civl reply. oh and How is Max Bottomtime doing?? later, Al Marvelli Bryon Bertrim wrote: > Who the fuck are you, If you want to make money i suggest you buy Cisco stock, If > you want to be in the dive business i doubt you will ever make much of a living > unless you are very committed . As for Jims point what is jims point i must be > missing something. Jim and trey are not the only two aholes on this list with an > opinion. I believe that courses and gear commercials the way they were presented > are very much appreciated. > > Bryon Bertrim out > > NAUI7874@ao*.co* wrote: > > > Byron > > > > You have totally missed Jim's point. This list is not for commercial entities > > to advertise or try to sell anything. At all. No matter how well intended or > > needed. The person to person and private party adds and sales are more than > > acceptable. But, blatant advertisement by a "professional" or someone "in the > > business" for the making of money, should be kept off this list. > > > > Trader john was in the wrong to do so. Joel has every right to give a class > > for whatever he wants to charge, those who attend will get a great class. But > > Joel did not advertise here, traderjohn did and should not have. > > > > just a little side bar here- > > we all complained about the state of instruction or the lack of. one point > > brought up was that prices are still 30 years behind. we wonder why we can > > not keep good people in the dive business when we will not let them charge a > > price that will allow them to feed the kids, is this how your dr. works? > > and now we put the screws on Joel to give a cheap class because people need > > the class. why do you think instructors are here? to give away classes?? hey > > I know a lot of people who need that class, can they get the same deal???? > > > > anyway I digress, > > Byron if you want to stop diving and sell all your gear, please feel free to > > do so. you can even sell all your gear on the list. but if you are doing this > > for your living, leave the adds in the yellow pages. > > > > Alan Pelstring > > s fl
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