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Greetings
I would certainly like to see Tom Mounts' questions answered about GUE. =
I have not really concerned myself about it until I am now being coerced =
into purchasing membership to dive a cave. So, I have a few more =
questions before I make that purchase.
1. Are Tyler Moon and Harry Averil still on the training committee =
for NSS-CDS as the web site shows?
2. Are T. Cole, H. Averil, T. Kendel, JJ, T. Moon, D. Rhea, who are =
GUE instructors, still instructors with NSS-CDS as the web site shows?
3. Are JJ, T. Moon, and H. Averil still instructors for NACD as the =
web site shows?
4. In investigating a membership to GUE, has there been any more =
publication of dirQuest other than the one Vol 1., No.1 Summer of 1999?
5. Is this the same publication, which is still on line?
6. Has there been any other information forthcoming this past year =
for members sent directly to them? What and when?
7. Where in the GUE web site does it specifically say how the money =
is spent?
8. What specific donations/funding has GUE made to research and =
cave preservation within this past year? =20
9. Who are the board members of GUE? The only information in the =
only publication is that JJ is president.
10. Who are the other officers of GUE?
11. Are the owners/managers/officers of GUE the same as Extreme =
Exposure and Halcyon?
As to the comment that there are too many cave divers and that the caves =
need to be preserved, I hope the maker of that comment is not cave =
diving any more. Surely, it would not be directed at everyone else =
until he himself stops.
I do not know about all the Florida politics. Frankly, I do not =
care unless it affects the diving I do. Up to this point, I have found =
all the cave instructors of all the agencies I have come into contact =
with to be concerned and competent. I have not met Mr. Rennaker, so I =
have no opinion. I have met a lot of cave divers and with few =
exceptions have found them to again to be great people to know, who are =
competent, concerned divers.
I do not know if money was stolen from the NSS or not. If it was, =
I assume the guilty are being prosecuted; if not, then maybe it was not =
taken. I do know that I get great journals from then NSS, which are =
written by known experts. These magazines/journals are published =
regularly. I have seen the preservation efforts by volunteers of the =
NSS in many areas of the country and have enjoyed the yearly conferences =
of the NSS-CDS. I like the GUE "store" as I like others. I like and =
respect the GUE instructors as I like and respect others. I like the =
brands that are emphasized by GUE as I do others. But, I don't like =
being coerced in spending my money for a year old magazine.
The owners of Madison Blue have every right to use their property =
as they see fit within the law. I have no questions of that. But, if =
they had a problem with an instructor, they could have banned that =
instructor. It has been done before. To support GUE, a discount could =
have been given for those with a membership or certification. =20
The safety procedures, training standards, and instructor =
standards that are the criteria of every agency dealing with technical =
and cave diving can be improved. This will also be true about GUE's =
when we see them. =20
All cave and technical diving has been developed by many people over the =
course of many years not just one person or one group at very great cost =
to some individuals. All you have to do is dive, observe, and listen. =
I would point out that all of the lead GUE instructors got their =
certifications and have taught through NSS-CDS and/or NACD. Will they =
now say risking a law suit if a student dies that all of it was done =
wrong? I think not. The basic premise of these organizations is sound. =
Maybe, the current leadership is bad-- maybe not. But regardless, =
more competition is always good unless that competition is trying to =
create a controlling monopoly. Then, it is not so good. =20
Thank you in advance for the response to my questions and entertaining =
my comments.
Sincerely,
Mary Jane Humphrey =20
=20
=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Greetings</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoBodyTextIndent style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: 0.25in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I =
would certainly=20
like to see Tom Mounts’ questions answered about GUE.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have not really concerned =
myself about=20
it until I am now being coerced into purchasing membership to dive a =
cave.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>So, I have a few more =
questions before I=20
make that purchase.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 =
lfo2; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">1.<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>Are Tyler Moon and Harry
Averil =
still on=20
the training committee for NSS-CDS as the web site shows?</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 =
lfo2; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">2.<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>Are T. Cole, H. Averil, T.
Kendel, =
JJ, T.=20
Moon, D. Rhea, who are GUE instructors, still instructors with<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>NSS-CDS as the web site =
shows?</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 =
lfo2; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">3.<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>Are JJ, T. Moon, and H.
Averil =
still=20
instructors for NACD as the web site shows?</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 =
lfo2; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">4.<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>In investigating a
membership to =
GUE, has=20
there been any more publication of dirQuest other than the one Vol 1., =
No.1=20
Summer of 1999?</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 =
lfo2; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">5.<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>Is this the same
publication, =
which is=20
still on line?</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 =
lfo2; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">6.<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>Has there been any other =
information=20
forthcoming this past year for members sent directly to them?<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What and when?</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 =
lfo2; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">7.<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>Where in the GUE web site
does it=20
specifically say how the money is spent?</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 =
lfo2; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">8.<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>What specific
donations/funding =
has GUE=20
made to research and cave preservation within this past year?<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 =
lfo2; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">9.<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>Who are the board members
of =
GUE?<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The only information in the =
only=20
publication is that JJ is president.</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 =
lfo2; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">10.<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>Who are the other officers
of =
GUE?</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 =
lfo2; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">11.<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Are the =
owners/managers/officers of GUE=20
the same as Extreme Exposure and Halcyon?</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: =
0.25in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">As to =
the comment=20
that there are too many cave divers and that the caves need to be =
preserved, I=20
hope the maker of that comment is not cave diving any more.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Surely, it would not be =
directed at=20
everyone else until he himself stops.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: =
0.25in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>I do =
not know=20
about all the Florida politics.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN>Frankly, I do not care unless it affects the diving I do.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Up to this point, I have found =
all the=20
cave instructors of all the agencies I have come into contact with to be =
concerned and competent.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>I have not=20
met Mr. Rennaker, so I have no opinion.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes"> =20
</SPAN>I have met a lot of cave divers and with few exceptions have =
found them=20
to again to be great people to know, who are competent, concerned=20
divers.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: =
0.25in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>I do =
not know if=20
money was stolen from the NSS or not.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes"> =20
</SPAN>If it was, I assume the guilty are being prosecuted; if not, then =
maybe=20
it was not taken.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I do =
know that I=20
get great journals from then NSS, which are written by known =
experts.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These magazines/journals are =
published=20
regularly.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have seen =
the=20
preservation efforts by volunteers of the NSS in many areas of the =
country and=20
have enjoyed the yearly conferences of the NSS-CDS.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I like the GUE =
“store” as I like=20
others.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I like and =
respect the GUE=20
instructors as I like and respect others.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes"> =20
</SPAN>I<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>like the
brands =
that are=20
emphasized by GUE as I do others.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes"> =20
</SPAN>But, I don’t like being coerced in spending my money for a =
year old=20
magazine.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: =
0.25in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>The =
owners of=20
Madison Blue have every right to use their property as they see fit =
within the=20
law.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have no questions =
of=20
that.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But, if they had a =
problem=20
with an instructor, they could have banned that instructor.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It has been done before.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>To support GUE, a discount =
could have=20
been given for those with a membership or certification.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: =
0.25in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>The =
safety=20
procedures, training standards, and instructor standards that are the =
criteria=20
of every agency dealing with technical and cave diving can be =
improved.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This will also be true about =
GUE’s when=20
we see them.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: =
0.25in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">All =
cave and=20
technical diving has been developed by many people over the course of =
many years=20
not just one person or one group at very great cost to some =
individuals.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>All you have to do is dive, =
observe, and=20
listen.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I would point out =
that all=20
of the lead GUE instructors got their certifications and have taught =
through=20
NSS-CDS and/or NACD.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Will =
they now=20
say risking a law suit if a student dies that all of it was done =
wrong?<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I think not.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The basic premise of these =
organizations=20
is sound.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Maybe, the =
current=20
leadership is bad-- maybe not.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes"> =20
</SPAN>But regardless, more competition is always good unless that =
competition=20
is trying to create a controlling monopoly.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Then, it is not so good.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: =
0.25in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thank =
you in advance=20
for the response to my questions and entertaining my =
comments.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: =
0.25in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sincerely,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: =
0.25in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Mary =
Jane=20
Humphrey<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P>
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