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on 4/6/00 7:52 PM, OSTDIVE@ao*.co* at OSTDIVE@ao*.co* wrote:

> I remember the frustration. I think GUE is a good place to organize a
> renewal. An organized effort, with the right leadership will eventually win
> out. Market forces can be used, as well as the vote, as Mike is doing. Sure
> shook the tree. Well, it's a tree shaking overdue. That we are having this
> debate is indicative that there IS a serious problem and the time draws near,
> one way or another for a change. Thanks  Mark Ost

Mark,

As much respect as I have for the folks at GUE and their stated goals, I
don't think cave diving can be reorganized around a for-profit or a
non-representative organization. We don't need to trade one entrenched group
for another, good as the GUE folks are.

GUE can be a rallying point, but any successful new group would have to be
organized along democratic principles to be successful. What has made the
current "leaders" irrelevant is that they have ceased to be accountable.

Later,

JoeL

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