Tom, I never saw any of this stuff before. The post I replied to I just
hit "reply to all", and it did not have anything about "beer on breath"
or any of this other shit in it, and I must have missed the "private" ,
so if I did, I apologize to the Farm Animals.

Hell, Tom, how many times have you recieved compaints about Orlowski's
drunkeness? It seems to me you called me up to check to see if I knew if
it were true or not on one of thsoe occasions. I efvn wrote you a letter
on that one,sayhing hta he was not taching drunk,  and on the side I
think I told you that while he was shitfaced, invisible, knee walkign ,
commode hugging, face down,  dick in the dirt drunk and 8:00 AM when I
saw him, to the best of my knowledge he was NOT teaching a class at the
time ( he told me he was too "sick" to dive), and then I find out that
the complaint was NOT about him being drunk at all , but about him
smoking a joint before the class which I could not comment on, and not
about his usual habit of carrying cigarettes into the water with him and
smoking them at sinkholes, so I guess I am lost here. 

Tim, now that Orlowski is TD of the NSCD, if you think Bruic was drunk,
maybe YOU should complain to Orlowski!!!!

How can you tell which of your idiot instuctors is A ) a drunk, B) a
misfit fat slob, or 3) just a dumb fuck if all of them get swept under
the carpet unless whenever ther eis a complaint, unles they do something
really , really out of line like use the terms "DIR", "WKPP", "IRVINE,
or "JABLONSKI" in a sentence that does not include some negative
comment?

Guess what - you are fooling nobody, you are making an ass out of
yourself with this hypocrisy. 

The whole circus is so freaking bad that once again, you are all proving
me dead right, and I love it. Keep it up.

Mike Bruic wrote:
> 
> Tom, once again you haven't a glue about what you are talking about.
> 
> 1. Bill Rennaker has never dove Madison since his stroke/heart attack.
> 
> 2. Beer on my breath???? Thats funny, Lamar Hires said NO (he was the other
> diver), and so did the dozen or so sheriffs deputies that were also their.
> Lets see, that only leaves Bill's wife, who never gets out of the van, or
> the surviving diver who shouldn't have been their (Thunder Hole) in the
> first place, let alone do a guided dive for someone who is no were near the
> level Thunder Hole Requires. Also, isn't that same person who lied to me and
> several deputies about all the facts of the dive including were they where,
> and weren't. He almost killed her twice at that point if you ask me. Yea
> Tom, you got some real winners here and good witness. I GIVE, UNCLE, and all
> that other stuff......
> 
> Bruic
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> To: Geoff Kelafant <kelafant@we*.co*>; <trey@ne*.co*>
> Cc: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 4:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Madison diving
> 
> > This had been a private email sent to George and Mike in response to a
> > private email they had sent to me., I guess both of them do not respect
> the
> > word PRIVATE so one of them chose to place it on the list
> >
> > First Bill Rennaker has a release to dive and instruct diving by a
> > cardiologist and a diving physcian who is quite aware of the demands of
> > diving and of teaching and being healthy enough to assume responsibility
> for
> > students..He also completed the fitness test for IANTD instructors.
> > According to our lawyer and insurance he is therefore qualified to be
> > renewed. This was determined before we renewed him as an instructor this
> > year. In fact the physcian states his heart is healthier after the surgery
> > than it would normally be.
> >
> > Second it is interesting that Mike following Bill's heart attack granted
> him
> > access to diving at Madison and Bill did dive there with Mikes approval
> and
> > acceptance of his monies without even requesting to see a medical release.
> > It was only after an incident that Bill had stated Mike had beer on his
> > breath when he went to a rescue at a cave dive that Mike became embittered
> > towards Rennaker. That has been investigated with people supporting Mike
> and
> > with statements that do reflect indeed Mike did have beer on his breath,
> > Thus with the conflict of statements we dropped the ethical complaint by
> > Mike as to Bill Accusing him of having beer on his breath. The amount of
> > conflicting statement by those present made it apparent no action could be
> > determined.
> >
> > Bill sponsored Mike as a NSS CDS cavern and intro cave instructor and
> later
> > when some did not wish to see Mike certified as a cave instructor Bill
> > Defended him so this situation is really interesting.
> >
> > Third as long as Bill meets renewal requirements of IANTD which includes
> the
> > MD statements and completion of the fitness evaluation we will renew him,
> > there is no reason not to when a MD says his heart is healthy and capable
> of
> > strenuous demands and diving and that he is not at risk and then he passes
> > the fitness test, how would you justify refusing to renew him.
> >
> > If Mike has decided to resign from NSS CDS- NACD - and IANTD then so be
> it.
> > If he does not want IANTD or NACD or NSS CDS divers at Madison then I
> guess
> > we will notify all the instructors not to go there and they in return can
> > let their students and former students know that. However I will ask Ana
> if
> > she concurs with Mikes decision.
> >
> > Yes I will miss diving at Madison as I really enjoy diving there and have
> > for more than 30 years.
> >
> > Geoff
> > For instructor renewal
> >
> > F. Qualification Renewal
> > 2. For all professionals, such as Divemasters, Supervisors, Instructors
> and
> > Instructor Trainers, proof of insurance or financial responsibility is
> > required.
> > 3. Remain as an active IANTD Member and remit annual Instructor /
> Divemaster
> > renewal fees.
> > 4. Complete the instructor physical skill evaluation and have it witnessed
> > by another diver or instructor, or complete a VO2 max test, or complete an
> > annual physical that includes a stress test.
> >
> > While this is not a difficult workout it is certainly more than ANY other
> > agency does when renewing instructors
> >
> > Mandatory watermanship evaluations for all Instructor (80 points passing):
> > All Instructor Programs must include the following waterskills and
> physical
> > fitness evaluations, which are in addition to waterskills listed above.
> > These evaluations must all be done at one time, with no more than 5
> minutes
> > rest period between skills. Repeat these evaluations at each Instructor
> > level, if it has been more than three months since the last evaluation.
> > Skill One (20 points)
> > Swim for a distance of 1,200 feet (360 meters). Subtract four minutes from
> > actual time to score handicapped candidates, such as those with a missing
> > limb (e.g., if performed in12 minutes or less, the score would be 20
> > points).
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 8 minutes or less 20
> > 8:01 to 8:40 19 ½
> > 8:41 to 9:20 19
> > 10:01 to 10:20 18 ½
> > 10:21 to 10:40 18
> > 10:41 to 11:00 17 ½
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 11:01 to 11:20 17
> > 11:21 to 11:40 16 ½
> > 11:41 to 12:00 16
> > 12:01 to 12:15 15 ½
> > 12:16 to 12:30 15
> > 12:31 to 12:45 14 ½
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 12:46 to 13:00 14
> > 13:01 to 13:15 13 ½
> > 13:16 to 13:30 13
> > 13:31 to 13:45 12 ½
> > 13:46 to 14:00 12
> > 14:01 to 14:15 11
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 14:16 to 14:30 10
> > 14:31 to 14:45 9
> > 14:46 to 15:00 8
> > 15:01 to 15:15 6
> > 15:16 to 15:30 4
> > 15:31 to 16:00 2
> >   Skill Two (20 points)
> > Swim 2,400 feet (720 meters) using mask, snorkel and fins (swim with fins
> > only; handicapped divers may use both hands and feet).
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 15 minutes or less 20
> > 15:00 to 15:20 19 ½
> > 15:21 to 15:40 19
> > 15:41 to 16:00 18 ½
> > 16:01 to 16:20 18
> > 16:21 to 16:40 17 ½
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 16:41 to 17:00 17
> > 17:01 to 17:20 16 ½
> > 17:21 to 17:40 16
> > 17:41 to 18:00 15
> > 18:01 to 18:20 14
> > 18:21 to 18:40 13
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 18:41 to 19:00 12
> > 19:01 to 19:20 11
> > 19:21 to 19:40 10
> > 19:41 to 20:00 08
> > 20:01 to 20:10 07
> > 20:11 to 20:20 06
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 20:21 to 20:30 05
> > 20:31 to 20:40 04
> > 20:41 to 20:50 03
> > 20:51 to 21:00 02
> > over 21 minutes 00
> >  Skill three (20 points)
> > Swim while wearing SCUBA gear on the surface, breathing through a snorkel,
> > for a distance of 900 feet (270 meters). Subtract 3 minutes from actual
> time
> > to score handicapped candidates, such as those with a missing limb (e.g.,
> if
> > performed in 11 minutes or less, the score would be 20 points).
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 8 minutes or less 20
> > 8:01 to 8:20 19 ½
> > 8:21 to 8:40 19
> > 8:41 to 9:00 18 ½
> > 9:01 to 9:15 18
> > 9:16 to 9:30 17 ½
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 9:31 to 9:45 17
> > 9:46 to 10:00 16
> > 10:01 to 10:10 15
> > 10:11 to 10:20 14
> > 10:21 to 10:30 13
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 10:31 to 10:40 12
> > 10:41 to 10:50 11
> > 10:51 to 11:00 10
> > 11:01 to 11:10 08
> > 11:11 to 11:20 06
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 11:21 to 11:30 05
> > 11:31 to 11:40 04
> > 11:41 to 11:50 02
> > 11:51 to 12:00 01
> > over 12 minutes 00
> >  Skill four (20 points)
> > Swim while wearing SCUBA gear for a distance of 2,000 feet (610 meters).
> > Subtract one minute from actual time for divers using double tanks (e.g.,
> if
> > performed in 15 minutes or less, the score would be 20 points). Subtract
> two
> > minutes from actual time for divers using double tanks plus two stage
> tanks
> > (Trimix Instructor candidate; e.g., if performed in 14 minutes or less,
> the
> > score would be 20 points).
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 16 minutes or less 20
> > 16:01 to 16:30 19 ½
> > 16:31 to 17:00 19
> > 17:01 to 17:30 18 ½
> > 17:31 to 18:00 18
> > 18:01 to 18:30 17 ½
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 18:31 to 19:00 17
> > 19:01 to 19:30 16 ½
> > 19:31 to 20:00 16
> > 20:01 to 20:30 15 ½
> > 20:31 to 21:00 15
> > 21:01 to 21:30 14 ½
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 21:30 to 22:00 14
> > 22:01 to 22:15 13
> > 22:16 to 22:30 12
> > 22:31 to 22:45 11
> > 22:46 to 23:00 10
> > 23:01 to 23:10 09
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 23:11 to 23:20 08
> > 23:21 to 23:30 06
> > 23:31 to 23:40 04
> > 23:41 to 23:50 02
> > 23:51 to 24:00 01
> > over 24 minutes 00
> >  Skill five (20 points)
> > Swim for a distance of 60 feet (18 meters), without breathing, and
> commence
> > gas sharing via alternate second-stage regulator with another diver. While
> > continuing to share gas, swim a distance of 1,200 feet (360 meters). Time
> > for scoring begins when both divers begin swimming while sharing gas.
> > Subtract 5 points for each failed attempt by the diver to complete the
> > 60-foot swim.
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 10:00 or under 20
> > 10:01 to 10:20 19 ½
> > 10:21 to 10:40 19
> > 10:41 to 11:00 18 ½
> > 11:01 to 11:20 18
> > 11:21 to 11:40 17 ½
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 11:41 to 12:00 17
> > 12:01 to 12:15 16 ½
> > 12:16 to 12:30 16
> > 12:31 to 12:45 15 ½
> > 12:46 to 13:00 15
> > 13:01 to 13:15 14 ½
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 13:16 to13:30 14
> > 13:31 to 13:45 13
> > 13:46 to 15:00 12
> > 15:01 to 15:10 10
> > 15:11 to 15:20 08
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 15:21 to 15:30 06
> > 15:31 to 15:40 04
> > 15:41 to 15:50 02
> > 15:51 to 16:00 01
> > over 16 minutes 00
> >
> >
> >
> > Respectfully yours,
> > Tom Mount
> > CEO IANTD World HQ
> > http://www.iantd.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Geoff Kelafant <kelafant@we*.co*>
> > To: <trey@ne*.co*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > Cc: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 5:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: Madison diving
> >
> >
> > > What absurdity.  "Right to work", ADA and all that other stuff doesn't
> > apply
> > > if someone isn't otherwise qualified for the job in particular.
> Actually,
> > > since none of the instructors really "work" for IANTD/CDS etc. anyway, I
> > > don't think any of this really applies.
> > >
> > > If it did, you would need to provide the examining physician with a
> > detailed
> > > description of what his "job" actually was and what the physical demands
> > > are.  In this case the physician should be someone well versed in diving
> > > medicine and the particular physical demands involved, not some guy who
> is
> > > getting the wool pulled over his eyes or practices in the local doc in a
> > > box.  I'm in the occupational medicine business and one thing I've
> learned
> > > is that patients are rarely fully truthful when their "career" is on the
> > > line.  Most physicians are poorly prepared or unwilling to address
> > > occupational issues and even fewer have even a vague idea of the
> cardiac,
> > > pulmonary and other stresses unique to diving.  A simple "note from the
> > > doctor", a doctor whose qualifications are totally unknown to you is
> > simply
> > > unacceptable.
> > >
> > > I am interested in whatever a "fitness renewal program" entails.  Is it
> > > simply a note or form?  Do they actually have to do something like a
> > stress
> > > test, running, biking,  swimming, etc.  Hmm... must be the IANTD
> > instructors
> > > I've seen were midcycle or in the remedial fitness program.
> > >
> > > When one of your instructors has a terminal event during training and
> > takes
> > > someone with him, I wonder what will happen?
> > >
> > > Geoff Kelafant MD MSPH FACOEM
> > > Board Certified Occupational Medicine
> > > US Navy Diving Medical Officer
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > > Cc: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 10:48 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Madison diving
> > >
> > >
> > > > Tom, this is the kind of duck I would expect from you. Rennaker is a
> > > > ridiculous fat slob - he just had a heart attack ( gee, I wonder
> why? ),
> > > > and his "right to work" is C R A P. The asshole retired from his
> factory
> > > > job over ten years ago, and is teaching diving on the side.
> > > >
> > > > Nice try, Tom.
> > > >
> > > > You and your organization do not know what the the word "fitness"
> means,
> > > > and the fact is that I will bet you that Rennaker's heart rate will
> not
> > > > drop the requisite bare minimum 12 beats per minute in one minute from
> > > > exertion levels that is the known marker standard for predicting  a
> > > > reasonable risk of less chance of a heart attack, let alone the 20 bpm
> > > > "comfort" level for a low risk , or the 60 bpm that my heart rate
> drops.
> > > > Forget that he is a fat slob who already had a heart attack.
> > > >
> > > > If Rennaker kills somebody now, you , the "doctor" and everyone else
> is
> > > > going to lose - it is too obvious that this guy does not need to be
> > > > doing this any more, and in my opinion, he never did.
> > > >
> > > > Prospective dive students have a "right" to a fit instructor, Tom, and
> > > > you are behaving badly for tolerating and promoting this.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Mount wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > To both of you
> > > > >
> > > > > All instructors with IANTD have to complete a MD medical and be
> signed
> > > off
> > > > > anytime their is a major illness. Bill has completed that. Bill also
> > did
> > > the
> > > > > fitness swim requirements as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now I'm sure if you would like to legally challenge the doctor for
> > > signing
> > > > > him off you can do so. But remember there as a right to work law and
> > you
> > > may
> > > > > wind up at the end of a lawsuit for you efforts from the MD and
> Bill.
> > > > > We are bound to accept the determination of the MD as to Bill's
> > fitness.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second IANTD unlike any other agency has a fitness renewal program
> as
> > > you
> > > > > know Mike and each instructor must complete it to be renewed. No
> other
> > > > > agency including GUE does this.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is BCC'ed to our lawyer and insurance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Respectfully yours,
> > > > > Tom Mount
> > > > > CEO IANTD World HQ
> > > > > http://www.iantd.com
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > > > To: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>
> > > > > Cc: <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 6:14 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Madison diving
> > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Bruic wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > George, here is a copy of the letter that went out to IANTD,
> NACD,
> > > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > NSS/CDS. It was sent certified, return receipt, and I have the
> > > > > > > acknowledgments of receipt in my files. When Rennaker does
> > fuck-up,
> > > I
> > > > > hope
> > > > > > > this letter will help any attorney crucify these assholes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bruic
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     Mike, you are pissing in the wind with Mount and the rest of
> > these
> > > > > > hand-holders. Send it to his insurance agent and to his attorney,
> > Bill
> > > > > > Turbeville. Turbeville and the insurance company will make him do
> > the
> > > > > > right thing. I'll get you the insurance agency address.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

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