Oh, I forgot, didn't this guy also get his airfill to dive Thunder from
Rennaker??? That is what I heard. Sounds like a good ol boy thing to me (you
of all people know how that works).

Bruic


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>
To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; Geoff Kelafant
<kelafant@we*.co*>; <trey@ne*.co*>
Cc: <cavers@cavers.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Madison diving


> Tom, once again you haven't a glue about what you are talking about.
>
> 1. Bill Rennaker has never dove Madison since his stroke/heart attack.
>
> 2. Beer on my breath???? Thats funny, Lamar Hires said NO (he was the
other
> diver), and so did the dozen or so sheriffs deputies that were also their.
> Lets see, that only leaves Bill's wife, who never gets out of the van, or
> the surviving diver who shouldn't have been their (Thunder Hole) in the
> first place, let alone do a guided dive for someone who is no were near
the
> level Thunder Hole Requires. Also, isn't that same person who lied to me
and
> several deputies about all the facts of the dive including were they
where,
> and weren't. He almost killed her twice at that point if you ask me. Yea
> Tom, you got some real winners here and good witness. I GIVE, UNCLE, and
all
> that other stuff......
>
> Bruic
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> To: Geoff Kelafant <kelafant@we*.co*>; <trey@ne*.co*>
> Cc: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 4:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Madison diving
>
>
> > This had been a private email sent to George and Mike in response to a
> > private email they had sent to me., I guess both of them do not respect
> the
> > word PRIVATE so one of them chose to place it on the list
> >
> > First Bill Rennaker has a release to dive and instruct diving by a
> > cardiologist and a diving physcian who is quite aware of the demands of
> > diving and of teaching and being healthy enough to assume responsibility
> for
> > students..He also completed the fitness test for IANTD instructors.
> > According to our lawyer and insurance he is therefore qualified to be
> > renewed. This was determined before we renewed him as an instructor this
> > year. In fact the physcian states his heart is healthier after the
surgery
> > than it would normally be.
> >
> > Second it is interesting that Mike following Bill's heart attack granted
> him
> > access to diving at Madison and Bill did dive there with Mikes approval
> and
> > acceptance of his monies without even requesting to see a medical
release.
> > It was only after an incident that Bill had stated Mike had beer on his
> > breath when he went to a rescue at a cave dive that Mike became
embittered
> > towards Rennaker. That has been investigated with people supporting Mike
> and
> > with statements that do reflect indeed Mike did have beer on his breath,
> > Thus with the conflict of statements we dropped the ethical complaint by
> > Mike as to Bill Accusing him of having beer on his breath. The amount of
> > conflicting statement by those present made it apparent no action could
be
> > determined.
> >
> > Bill sponsored Mike as a NSS CDS cavern and intro cave instructor and
> later
> > when some did not wish to see Mike certified as a cave instructor Bill
> > Defended him so this situation is really interesting.
> >
> > Third as long as Bill meets renewal requirements of IANTD which includes
> the
> > MD statements and completion of the fitness evaluation we will renew
him,
> > there is no reason not to when a MD says his heart is healthy and
capable
> of
> > strenuous demands and diving and that he is not at risk and then he
passes
> > the fitness test, how would you justify refusing to renew him.
> >
> > If Mike has decided to resign from NSS CDS- NACD - and IANTD then so be
> it.
> > If he does not want IANTD or NACD or NSS CDS divers at Madison then I
> guess
> > we will notify all the instructors not to go there and they in return
can
> > let their students and former students know that. However I will ask Ana
> if
> > she concurs with Mikes decision.
> >
> > Yes I will miss diving at Madison as I really enjoy diving there and
have
> > for more than 30 years.
> >
> > Geoff
> > For instructor renewal
> >
> > F. Qualification Renewal
> > 2. For all professionals, such as Divemasters, Supervisors, Instructors
> and
> > Instructor Trainers, proof of insurance or financial responsibility is
> > required.
> > 3. Remain as an active IANTD Member and remit annual Instructor /
> Divemaster
> > renewal fees.
> > 4. Complete the instructor physical skill evaluation and have it
witnessed
> > by another diver or instructor, or complete a VO2 max test, or complete
an
> > annual physical that includes a stress test.
> >
> > While this is not a difficult workout it is certainly more than ANY
other
> > agency does when renewing instructors
> >
> > Mandatory watermanship evaluations for all Instructor (80 points
passing):
> > All Instructor Programs must include the following waterskills and
> physical
> > fitness evaluations, which are in addition to waterskills listed above.
> > These evaluations must all be done at one time, with no more than 5
> minutes
> > rest period between skills. Repeat these evaluations at each Instructor
> > level, if it has been more than three months since the last evaluation.
> > Skill One (20 points)
> > Swim for a distance of 1,200 feet (360 meters). Subtract four minutes
from
> > actual time to score handicapped candidates, such as those with a
missing
> > limb (e.g., if performed in12 minutes or less, the score would be 20
> > points).
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 8 minutes or less 20
> > 8:01 to 8:40 19 ½
> > 8:41 to 9:20 19
> > 10:01 to 10:20 18 ½
> > 10:21 to 10:40 18
> > 10:41 to 11:00 17 ½
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 11:01 to 11:20 17
> > 11:21 to 11:40 16 ½
> > 11:41 to 12:00 16
> > 12:01 to 12:15 15 ½
> > 12:16 to 12:30 15
> > 12:31 to 12:45 14 ½
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 12:46 to 13:00 14
> > 13:01 to 13:15 13 ½
> > 13:16 to 13:30 13
> > 13:31 to 13:45 12 ½
> > 13:46 to 14:00 12
> > 14:01 to 14:15 11
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 14:16 to 14:30 10
> > 14:31 to 14:45 9
> > 14:46 to 15:00 8
> > 15:01 to 15:15 6
> > 15:16 to 15:30 4
> > 15:31 to 16:00 2
> >   Skill Two (20 points)
> > Swim 2,400 feet (720 meters) using mask, snorkel and fins (swim with
fins
> > only; handicapped divers may use both hands and feet).
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 15 minutes or less 20
> > 15:00 to 15:20 19 ½
> > 15:21 to 15:40 19
> > 15:41 to 16:00 18 ½
> > 16:01 to 16:20 18
> > 16:21 to 16:40 17 ½
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 16:41 to 17:00 17
> > 17:01 to 17:20 16 ½
> > 17:21 to 17:40 16
> > 17:41 to 18:00 15
> > 18:01 to 18:20 14
> > 18:21 to 18:40 13
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 18:41 to 19:00 12
> > 19:01 to 19:20 11
> > 19:21 to 19:40 10
> > 19:41 to 20:00 08
> > 20:01 to 20:10 07
> > 20:11 to 20:20 06
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 20:21 to 20:30 05
> > 20:31 to 20:40 04
> > 20:41 to 20:50 03
> > 20:51 to 21:00 02
> > over 21 minutes 00
> >  Skill three (20 points)
> > Swim while wearing SCUBA gear on the surface, breathing through a
snorkel,
> > for a distance of 900 feet (270 meters). Subtract 3 minutes from actual
> time
> > to score handicapped candidates, such as those with a missing limb
(e.g.,
> if
> > performed in 11 minutes or less, the score would be 20 points).
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 8 minutes or less 20
> > 8:01 to 8:20 19 ½
> > 8:21 to 8:40 19
> > 8:41 to 9:00 18 ½
> > 9:01 to 9:15 18
> > 9:16 to 9:30 17 ½
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 9:31 to 9:45 17
> > 9:46 to 10:00 16
> > 10:01 to 10:10 15
> > 10:11 to 10:20 14
> > 10:21 to 10:30 13
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 10:31 to 10:40 12
> > 10:41 to 10:50 11
> > 10:51 to 11:00 10
> > 11:01 to 11:10 08
> > 11:11 to 11:20 06
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 11:21 to 11:30 05
> > 11:31 to 11:40 04
> > 11:41 to 11:50 02
> > 11:51 to 12:00 01
> > over 12 minutes 00
> >  Skill four (20 points)
> > Swim while wearing SCUBA gear for a distance of 2,000 feet (610 meters).
> > Subtract one minute from actual time for divers using double tanks
(e.g.,
> if
> > performed in 15 minutes or less, the score would be 20 points). Subtract
> two
> > minutes from actual time for divers using double tanks plus two stage
> tanks
> > (Trimix Instructor candidate; e.g., if performed in 14 minutes or less,
> the
> > score would be 20 points).
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 16 minutes or less 20
> > 16:01 to 16:30 19 ½
> > 16:31 to 17:00 19
> > 17:01 to 17:30 18 ½
> > 17:31 to 18:00 18
> > 18:01 to 18:30 17 ½
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 18:31 to 19:00 17
> > 19:01 to 19:30 16 ½
> > 19:31 to 20:00 16
> > 20:01 to 20:30 15 ½
> > 20:31 to 21:00 15
> > 21:01 to 21:30 14 ½
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 21:30 to 22:00 14
> > 22:01 to 22:15 13
> > 22:16 to 22:30 12
> > 22:31 to 22:45 11
> > 22:46 to 23:00 10
> > 23:01 to 23:10 09
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 23:11 to 23:20 08
> > 23:21 to 23:30 06
> > 23:31 to 23:40 04
> > 23:41 to 23:50 02
> > 23:51 to 24:00 01
> > over 24 minutes 00
> >  Skill five (20 points)
> > Swim for a distance of 60 feet (18 meters), without breathing, and
> commence
> > gas sharing via alternate second-stage regulator with another diver.
While
> > continuing to share gas, swim a distance of 1,200 feet (360 meters).
Time
> > for scoring begins when both divers begin swimming while sharing gas.
> > Subtract 5 points for each failed attempt by the diver to complete the
> > 60-foot swim.
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 10:00 or under 20
> > 10:01 to 10:20 19 ½
> > 10:21 to 10:40 19
> > 10:41 to 11:00 18 ½
> > 11:01 to 11:20 18
> > 11:21 to 11:40 17 ½
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 11:41 to 12:00 17
> > 12:01 to 12:15 16 ½
> > 12:16 to 12:30 16
> > 12:31 to 12:45 15 ½
> > 12:46 to 13:00 15
> > 13:01 to 13:15 14 ½
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 13:16 to13:30 14
> > 13:31 to 13:45 13
> > 13:46 to 15:00 12
> > 15:01 to 15:10 10
> > 15:11 to 15:20 08
> >  Time (mm:ss) Points
> > 15:21 to 15:30 06
> > 15:31 to 15:40 04
> > 15:41 to 15:50 02
> > 15:51 to 16:00 01
> > over 16 minutes 00
> >
> >
> >
> > Respectfully yours,
> > Tom Mount
> > CEO IANTD World HQ
> > http://www.iantd.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Geoff Kelafant <kelafant@we*.co*>
> > To: <trey@ne*.co*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > Cc: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 5:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: Madison diving
> >
> >
> > > What absurdity.  "Right to work", ADA and all that other stuff doesn't
> > apply
> > > if someone isn't otherwise qualified for the job in particular.
> Actually,
> > > since none of the instructors really "work" for IANTD/CDS etc. anyway,
I
> > > don't think any of this really applies.
> > >
> > > If it did, you would need to provide the examining physician with a
> > detailed
> > > description of what his "job" actually was and what the physical
demands
> > > are.  In this case the physician should be someone well versed in
diving
> > > medicine and the particular physical demands involved, not some guy
who
> is
> > > getting the wool pulled over his eyes or practices in the local doc in
a
> > > box.  I'm in the occupational medicine business and one thing I've
> learned
> > > is that patients are rarely fully truthful when their "career" is on
the
> > > line.  Most physicians are poorly prepared or unwilling to address
> > > occupational issues and even fewer have even a vague idea of the
> cardiac,
> > > pulmonary and other stresses unique to diving.  A simple "note from
the
> > > doctor", a doctor whose qualifications are totally unknown to you is
> > simply
> > > unacceptable.
> > >
> > > I am interested in whatever a "fitness renewal program" entails.  Is
it
> > > simply a note or form?  Do they actually have to do something like a
> > stress
> > > test, running, biking,  swimming, etc.  Hmm... must be the IANTD
> > instructors
> > > I've seen were midcycle or in the remedial fitness program.
> > >
> > > When one of your instructors has a terminal event during training and
> > takes
> > > someone with him, I wonder what will happen?
> > >
> > > Geoff Kelafant MD MSPH FACOEM
> > > Board Certified Occupational Medicine
> > > US Navy Diving Medical Officer
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > > Cc: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>; <cavers@cavers.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 10:48 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Madison diving
> > >
> > >
> > > > Tom, this is the kind of duck I would expect from you. Rennaker is a
> > > > ridiculous fat slob - he just had a heart attack ( gee, I wonder
> why? ),
> > > > and his "right to work" is C R A P. The asshole retired from his
> factory
> > > > job over ten years ago, and is teaching diving on the side.
> > > >
> > > > Nice try, Tom.
> > > >
> > > > You and your organization do not know what the the word "fitness"
> means,
> > > > and the fact is that I will bet you that Rennaker's heart rate will
> not
> > > > drop the requisite bare minimum 12 beats per minute in one minute
from
> > > > exertion levels that is the known marker standard for predicting  a
> > > > reasonable risk of less chance of a heart attack, let alone the 20
bpm
> > > > "comfort" level for a low risk , or the 60 bpm that my heart rate
> drops.
> > > > Forget that he is a fat slob who already had a heart attack.
> > > >
> > > > If Rennaker kills somebody now, you , the "doctor" and everyone else
> is
> > > > going to lose - it is too obvious that this guy does not need to be
> > > > doing this any more, and in my opinion, he never did.
> > > >
> > > > Prospective dive students have a "right" to a fit instructor, Tom,
and
> > > > you are behaving badly for tolerating and promoting this.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Mount wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > To both of you
> > > > >
> > > > > All instructors with IANTD have to complete a MD medical and be
> signed
> > > off
> > > > > anytime their is a major illness. Bill has completed that. Bill
also
> > did
> > > the
> > > > > fitness swim requirements as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now I'm sure if you would like to legally challenge the doctor for
> > > signing
> > > > > him off you can do so. But remember there as a right to work law
and
> > you
> > > may
> > > > > wind up at the end of a lawsuit for you efforts from the MD and
> Bill.
> > > > > We are bound to accept the determination of the MD as to Bill's
> > fitness.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second IANTD unlike any other agency has a fitness renewal program
> as
> > > you
> > > > > know Mike and each instructor must complete it to be renewed. No
> other
> > > > > agency including GUE does this.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is BCC'ed to our lawyer and insurance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Respectfully yours,
> > > > > Tom Mount
> > > > > CEO IANTD World HQ
> > > > > http://www.iantd.com
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> > > > > To: Mike Bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>
> > > > > Cc: <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 6:14 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Madison diving
> > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Bruic wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > George, here is a copy of the letter that went out to IANTD,
> NACD,
> > > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > NSS/CDS. It was sent certified, return receipt, and I have the
> > > > > > > acknowledgments of receipt in my files. When Rennaker does
> > fuck-up,
> > > I
> > > > > hope
> > > > > > > this letter will help any attorney crucify these assholes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bruic
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     Mike, you are pissing in the wind with Mount and the rest of
> > these
> > > > > > hand-holders. Send it to his insurance agent and to his
attorney,
> > Bill
> > > > > > Turbeville. Turbeville and the insurance company will make him
do
> > the
> > > > > > right thing. I'll get you the insurance agency address.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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