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George, why don't you put reading glasses on? Obviously you don't read my emails, you just guess at what YOU think I know. Here are responses to your last email, which has absolutely nothing to do with what my emails have said: - when have I EVER said Stone is/was a good ANYTHING? - when have I EVER said Jill Heinerth is/was a good ANYTHING? - when have I EVER said that Stone's group or project was a good ANYTHING? - when have I EVER said I was judging you? I only criticized your abusive style (such as the emails below) - when have I EVER said you lied about dives? - when have I EVER said I support Heinerth or Stone? This is your distorted view only. - when have I EVER said I care how far you, Stone, or Heinerth has dived? Makes me no difference who wins, I'm not in the race, nor am I interested. I just get tired of all your chest pounding. - when have I EVER said you're nice or not nice? I wouldn't know, never having met you. - when have I EVER said I care ANYTHING about Stone's map? - when have I EVER said ANYBODY is my hero? Mike Nelson used to be when I was young. - when have I EVER said you're not a good diver? - when have I EVER cared whether you're in the dive industry or not? George, I looked up hypocrite like you asked me and here's what Webster states: "one who affects virtues or qualities he does not have". Now I'll ask you this - when have I EVER said I have any virtues or qualities? - when have I EVER said or suggested anything ANYBODY does in cave diving is right or wrong? All you've ever heard is my asking a question or two and getting pounced on by you. Shortly thereafter, your parrots get on the bandwagon and also send me insulting and profane email not even understanding the question I posed. You must be paranoid to think everybody who isn't WITH the WKPP is AGAINST it. I couldn't care less how deep you guys go - have a ball! Jack > -----Original Message----- > From: trey@ne*.co* [mailto:trey@ne*.co*] > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 9:24 AM > To: Kreska Jack-FJK003 > Cc: cavers@cavers.com > Subject: Re: [INRSPC is outta control was:Re: Bent Jill] > > > Jack, I am not one of the good divers or good people? By the way, who > does the dives and who put it together, Jack, and why is it > that you and > everyone else knows who I am if they do not "write about me", and the > fact is , you distorted idiot, you are not qaulified to judge me, you > have no information that is even remotely close to realistic,and the > fact is that I do not LIE about dives like Stone an Heinerth did, and > that is what we are talking about here, not about whether you > like me or > not - that I obviously do not care about. > > I just wanmt to point out the Heingerth is a liar. A L I A R, > Jack, but > you can justify that because I am not nice, correct? > > Stone's own map shows that she did not go 10,000 feet or anywhere near > 10,000 feet. Stone's own map shows that the Brits did not go 14,000 > feet, 12,000 feet or 10,000 feet, and the fact is I just dove past > their last marker on Saturday, and it is where I call the cave 9.500 > feet, and I was just doing a setup dive to 18,000 feet and added a > little line and checked some leads in the process. > > Funny how we can go break our own 18,000 foot REAL RECORD in > one day,and > your lying heroes can't get halfway there in 90 days. But > that is ok, is > it not, Jack, because you can identify with the losers, and > not with the > winners, like the rest of the "community". > > I do not think you are a stroke because you do not dive at "300" feet. > In fact , I ahv no idea wheather you are a stroke or not, I think you > are a hypocrite and a typical liberal pussy, and that is based solelyn > your postings here. > > Let me know when I get to be a good diver, jack, and when anyone else > puts out as much accurate , useful information as I have. I'll be > waiting. However, do not expect me to accomodate you or your ilk or to > sit back while the liars pretend. I am not in the dive > business, it is a > hobby for me, and I could care less about "publcity". All I get is TV > shows and magazines calling me every freaking day and I do not want to > talk to them. I'll tell them to call you or Bill Stone. You can talk > about how it could , would or should be, and maybe even come up with > some excuse of why I already did it, and obviously can do it > at will on > any given Saturday. > > > Trey wrote: > > > > Jack, you are not qualified to judge me, asshole. > > > > Kreska Jack-FJK003 wrote: > > > > > > What's the matter George? You can dish it out but can't > take it? You don't > > > know jack, whoops, that's george-shit about me, yet you > think I'm the > > > hypocrite? Look around, you'll find them hiding in the > bowels of the > > > Internet. Then they seem to surface for very brief > moments whenever there's > > > an opportunity to parrot you. The really decent people > and good divers, also > > > on the WKPP team, don't act like you. > > > > > > I admit that I've learned a lot from this list and > especially from you and > > > your videos but then I don't ever expect to dive to 300 > feet in a cave and > > > that, according to you, makes me a stroke. I wonder what > percentage of > > > certified cave divers have ever gone to 300 feet in a > cave? I suspect you > > > guys are the vast minority; therefore you don't represent > cave diving, only > > > that advanced fringe that most of us aren't qualified to > join. So why don't > > > you stop the chest pounding and Tarzan yells and grow up. > I guess you really > > > envy the publicity that Stone's group gets, huh? I'd also > guess that if you > > > were less arrogant and abusive, the press might write > about you, too. OK, > > > point out the 2 articles on WKPP, I've seen them, still > not what you want > > > and deserve, is it? > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: trey@ne*.co* [mailto:trey@ne*.co*] > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 4:29 AM > > > > To: Kreska Jack-FJK003 > > > > Cc: cavers@cavers.com > > > > Subject: Re: [INRSPC is outta control was:Re: Bent Jill] > > > > > > > > > > > > Right, Jack, and you prove it with your other response. > Try looking up > > > > "hypocrite" in the dictionary. This has now been > classified as an > > > > "epidemic" in the cave diving community. > > > > > > > > I speak to people in the launguage that best represents > my level of > > > > respect for them. > > > > > > > > You need to join Hazel's list. > > > > > > > > Kreska Jack-FJK003 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > George, I asked you before and I guess I'll ask again "When > > > > are you going to > > > > > grow up?". You act like a kindergarten kid who can't find > > > > the proper words > > > > > to use in a conversation so he resorts to profanity. > Not that I have > > > > > anything against profanity, I just have a better vocabulary > > > > I suppose. > > > > > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: trey@ne*.co* [mailto:trey@ne*.co*] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 8:41 AM > > > > > > To: Kreska Jack-FJK003 > > > > > > Cc: 'Bob Hines'; cavers@cavers.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [INRSPC is outta control was:Re: Bent Jill] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When any of you reach Armentrout's level, I will SYD's. > > > > How's that for > > > > > > "experts". > > > > > > > > > > > > And, you two pussies, it does not take anything but > > > > common sense to > > > > > > understand anything we are talking about on here, and it > > > > does not take > > > > > > knowing me to be an expert . You have no idea who these West > > > > > > Coast guys > > > > > > are. I do. I have been diving with some of them, and they > > > > are in fact > > > > > > "experts" at what they do. > > > > > > > > > > > > You two are expert pussies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kreska Jack-FJK003 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I've noticed that some of them haven't even ever met > > > > > > George yet they > > > > > > > speak as if they're experts, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Bob Hines [mailto:bhines.vwmc@us*.ne*] > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 7:26 AM > > > > > > > > To: Jess Armantrout; techdiver@aq*.co*; > trey@ne*.co*; > > > > > > > > INRSPC@ao*.co* > > > > > > > > Cc: cavers@cavers.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [INRSPC is outta control was:Re: Bent Jill] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, Irvine speaks and the parrots come > out of their > > > > > > > > cage to give > > > > > > > > homage. It is amusing to see so many moonies > on one list. > > > > > > > > Thank God for > > > > > > > > delete buttons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Get free email and a permanent address at > > > > > > > > http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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