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Dan, whenever we identify the continuing sameness of cave deaths the
assholes start crap like this. The fact is that wise people do not
accept half-assed training, and wise people are not "caught dead"
wearing stupid gear, and smart peole do not violate Rule Number One,
which includes diving with buddy-leaving strokes.

The anomnomous pussy "hypohippo" is yet one more gutless stroke who has
no clue, but has to take a shot. I love it when they do it, because it
gives me an excuse to hammer away some more.

 
Dan L. Volker wrote:
> 
> Hypohippo,
> You are confusing "glee" with "the hope that reality will sink in..."
> Sadly, too many dangerous ideas and practices still get propagated by the
> usual suspects, and what appears to you as  rivalry between two camps,  is
> really a struggle to get "Life and Death" messages out so they can be heard,
> understood, accepted, and so lives will be saved.
> 
> If you knew of a kayak team that had new recruits tied in to their
> whitewater boats in class IV water ( ostensibly to prevent falling out in an
> unplanned  roll), I would hope you and your friends would speak out against
> this stupidity, and that with each new death that occurred (in which one of
> the new recruits was unable to roll back upright, and subsequently drowned),
> you and your friends would renew the "Wakeup Call" that this practice is
> wrong, stupid,  and killing people. If its originators refused to change,
> you might even begin to call them negligent murderers, or worse...
> Dan Volker
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hypohippo@ao*.co* [mailto:Hypohippo@ao*.co*]
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 12:09 PM
> To: cavers@cavers.com
> Subject: Cave deaths
> 
> As a member of this list for over two years I have read almost every posting
> during that time frame. I have watched everything from the extremely heated
> discussions on "deep air" to the discussions of the WK2 project and
> everything in between.
> 
> However, everytime a cave diver is killed it is interesting how the "two
> sides" can't wait to jump on the death bandwagon and start playing the blame
> game on how they died, whose fault it was, and "what a stroke they were for
> having died."
> 
> I personally participate in a variety of activities which most of the
> general
> public would consider "extreme sports." Some of these activities include:
> mountain climbing, rock climbing, and white water kayaking to name a few. In
> each of these "extreme sports" people die every single year.
> 
> One of the things I have noticed is that in none of these other sports,
> which
> all have newsgroups like this one, does anyone "faction" take such glee in
> the death of person. Sadly this is not the case with this group.
> 
> As with any death in any "extreme sport," the cause of death can be blamed
> in
> a dozen different ways i.e. the 1996 Everest disaster for example.
> 
> The bottom line is cave diving is dangerous and people will continue to die
> as long as their are caves to dive in just like people will continue to die
> on mountains as long as people continue to climb them.
> 
> My only request is when a "cave death" occurs you opposing factions out
> there
> stop taking such glee and seeing how many people or things you can blame.
> 
> The bottom line is no one has EVER been forced to go cave diving.

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