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From: <Hypohippo@ao*.co*>
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:01:48 EST
Subject: Re: cave deaths
To: jammer@oz*.ne*
CC: cavers@cavers.com
In a message dated 3/22/00 4:39:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, jammer@oz*.ne* 
writes:

<< Subj:     Re: cave deaths
 Date:  3/22/00 4:39:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
 From:  jammer@oz*.ne* (Jammer Six)
 To:    cavers@cavers.com (Cavers List)
 
 on 3/22/00 5:45, Hypohippo@ao*.co* at Hypohippo@ao*.co* wrote:
 
 > I debated long and hard to give credit where credit is do on my post as I
 > knew some smart ass would take this and try to slam me with it.
 
 Not long enough, and not hard enough.
 
 You still posted, and you're still posting.
 
 What you're not doing is listening, or learning. I tell you this because I'm
 one of the nicest guys on this list, and I figure almost everyone deserves a
 single clue.
 
 Since you showed up without one, I've given you one.
 
 In case you missed it, or in case I was too subtle, the clue was
 "You don't know anything yet, you have nothing to offer, so shut the fuck
 up, pay attention, listen, and learn."
 
 Now you're on your own. No one's going to "debate" with you, for two
 reasons. Number one, no one cares if you "get it" or not, and number two,
 the people here who know how to dive don't talk to strokes or listen to
 strokes. It's rule #2.
 
 Argue with them, and your time here will be both brief and uncomfortable.
 They won't "debate" you, or justify their teachings to you. They'll answer
 questions, but if you challenge them, they'll ridicule you into oblivion.
 Then, after you've left, they'll add another notch to their flame-thrower,
 and go diving. This isn't the AOL discussion group, this is the caver's
 list, and no one cares about your feeling, or your opinions. There are far
 more important issues at stake.
 
 Good luck!
 -- 
 "C'mon, you sons of bitches, you want to live forever?"
      -First Sergeant Dan Daly >>


Geez,
I had no idea my little post would get such an emotional response. Talk about 
lashing out in the dark. I just wish I knew what the heck you were referring 
to.

I am not trying to learn anything from you. You have no clue what I do and 
never will because I am not an arrogant know-it-all publicity seeker who 
spends every waking hour trying to see how clever I can be in my post when 
someone from another agency dies.

No one asked you to respond to me. And if you truly don't care anymore leave 
it alone and respond no more.

I just think it is extremely interesting that my simple post responding to 
the way people mock the dead has turned into a bitter brawl (on your part 
only) on how much knowledge you have and how inferior I am for daring to 
offer an opinion on respecting the dead. However, I should have not been 
surprised. Your combative response is so typical of what I have seen on this 
list over the past two years that I all but predictable what would be said by 
someone regarding my post.

So, I will move on with my enjoyment of diving and I will let you get back to 
resolving the "important issues that are at stake."  Who knows, maybe you too 
will one day make it on National Geographic.

Good luck to you as well and I do Sincerely wish you and every one else on 
this list the safest of diving.


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