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From: "Jeff Waugh" <jrwaugh@te*.co*>
To: Cavers List <cavers@cavers.com>, Jammer Six <jammer@oz*.ne*>
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:42:57 -0800
Subject: Re: cave deaths
What ever happened to the concept of a "productive forum"???
Date sent:      	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:32:28 -0800
Subject:        	Re: cave deaths
From:           	Jammer Six <jammer@oz*.ne*>
To:             	Cavers List <cavers@cavers.com>

> on 3/22/00 5:45, Hypohippo@ao*.co* at Hypohippo@ao*.co* wrote:
> 
> > I debated long and hard to give credit where credit is do on my post as I
> > knew some smart ass would take this and try to slam me with it.
> 
> Not long enough, and not hard enough.
> 
> You still posted, and you're still posting.
> 
> What you're not doing is listening, or learning. I tell you this because I'm
> one of the nicest guys on this list, and I figure almost everyone deserves a
> single clue.
> 
> Since you showed up without one, I've given you one.
> 
> In case you missed it, or in case I was too subtle, the clue was
> "You don't know anything yet, you have nothing to offer, so shut the fuck
> up, pay attention, listen, and learn."
> 
> Now you're on your own. No one's going to "debate" with you, for two
> reasons. Number one, no one cares if you "get it" or not, and number two,
> the people here who know how to dive don't talk to strokes or listen to
> strokes. It's rule #2.
> 
> Argue with them, and your time here will be both brief and uncomfortable.
> They won't "debate" you, or justify their teachings to you. They'll answer
> questions, but if you challenge them, they'll ridicule you into oblivion.
> Then, after you've left, they'll add another notch to their flame-thrower,
> and go diving. This isn't the AOL discussion group, this is the caver's
> list, and no one cares about your feeling, or your opinions. There are far
> more important issues at stake.
> 
> Good luck!
> -- 
> "C'mon, you sons of bitches, you want to live forever?"
>      -First Sergeant Dan Daly
> 


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