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From: "Michael J. Blitch" <mblitch1@ta*.rr*.co*>
To: cavers@cavers.com
Subject: Re: Breathing off the inflator/Air II
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:34:10 -0500
On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:42:53 -0500, you wrote:

>->Drew:  I don't use an AIR2 and wouldn't consider it but I was wondering
>about
>>this statement about redundancy between drysuit hose and BC inflator hose.
>Is
>>there anyone out there who has actually done this in practice?
>>
>I know of at least one who has tried it. Me.

My inflator hose for the wings is just long enough to reach the
drysuit valve.

>>I for one have tested the positioning of my BC inflator hose vis a vis my
>>drysuit inflator valve and I'm pretty certain that there is no realistic
>way
>>that I could pull my BC inflator hose off and attach it to my drysuit
>inflator
>>without getting at least half way out of my harness.  First of all, my
>drysuit
>>inflator valve angles down and to the right to connect to my argon hose or
>>regulator drysuit inflator hose coming from under my left arm.  So not only
>>does my BC inflator hose need to reach the drysuit inflator valve, it would
>>need to kink around nearly 180 degrees to attach to the nipple.  Following
>the
>>instruction of my DIR cave instructor I shortened up my BC inflator hose
>and I
>>just don't see where attaching the BC inflator hose to the drysuit is a
>>realistic option unless you have a really long inflator hose to begin with.
>>My hose is long enough to reach the drysuit inflator, it's just not long
>>enough to make the 180 degree kink to attach to the nipple.

I have a DUI TLS350. You can order the valve pointed any direction you
wish, but I just unscrewed mine and now have it pointing to my left
side. You should not have any problems changing it.

>I agree that orally inflating your wing is much easier, but I have yet not
>found a way to get my lips down to my drysuit addition valve. Some of the
>caves here can go from 150 to 70 and back, or 110 to 30 then back to 90 (two
>quick actual profiles). If I did lose suit inflation I'd like to be able to
>get through these without pinching off any body parts because my suit didn't
>have enough air in it. I don't expect to ever have to do it, but it is a
>part of the overall plan. Regs do fail, hoses fail, and I could even misread
>how much argon I have in my bottle (although I'd steal some from my buddy at
>deco).

It is always good to be able to have the contingency planned. For the
sake of argument, let us say that the BC hose cannot reach. The only
thing you need to do is call your buddy over and get a transfill. I
wonder what the final option would be if that was not available. Would
flooding the suit a bit ease the squeeze enough to alleviate the
problems of a quick descent?

>I will say one positive thing about the air II type devices...If you are
>trained OW with one, you learn to donate the primary without any qualms.
>Other than that, they are pretty worthless.

You are a much better optimist than I. Even though I shop I deal with
has one on display, I tell everyone with whom I speak to stay away
from those things. Not even thinking about the disadvantage of
swapable gear (which is why I don't use proprietary units like
poseidon), the AirIIs are a nightmare to rebuild. 

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