Pucker up, pretty boy ;-) We dive the appropriate gas for the dive, which
means anything below 130 or so and we're doing mixed gas. I prefer helium in
stuff even shallower because I get better results and less symptoms for the
long/working dives.
Why drag Lamar into your petty war with each other ??
The thing that cracks me up about all this bullshit bravado about mixed gas
is that it is just bullshit bravado. Its the deco gasses that are killing
people, not the "mixed gas" as everyone likes to call it. In my opinion if
your taught anything more than air diving, you should be taught the whole
enchilada. Nitrox,Tri-mix and whatever else someone wants to breath. We dive
with the MOD in 3 inch letters, because it works. I haven't seen Tom tell
anyone not to use 3 inch letters either. In fact I've seen him concur.
However, I don't have a clue as to what the IANTD stickers look like
presently. They do have access to the removable sleeves I made last
year,(that we currently produce) with MOD and the most popular depths silk
screened on them. There is one for oxygen also. Tom already mentioned this.
If Bob McGuire had been diving this way, I would not have had to watch him
get killed and get myself injured in the process of trying to get him off a
runaway scooter before he broke his neck. If he had stickers OR paint, I
would have seen it. He had identical, new white aluminum cylinders with
G250s and a small piece of tape on the neck of each. If he had his regs
numbered and on the wrong cylinders, then no one could have helped him.  Bob
killed Bob, nobody else. He showed me and his dad the way you guys marked
cylinders the weekend before he died. Then chose not to do it himself for
reasons unknown.
George, we may not do the constant deep caves that you guys do, but we dive
the most efficient gas for any dive we do. That includes helium for about
half the cave dives and all the deep wrecks. The wrecks are all 200ft plus
with some below 300ft on the schedule and a huge one in 400 plus that I'm
doing the logistics on now.
So, should I tell Lamar you and Tom are going to New York  ;-)
Dell Motes
Dive Rite
117 W.Washington St.
Lake City, Fla. 32055
www.Dive-Rite.com





-----Original Message-----
From: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
Cc: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>; Ken Sallot <sallot@mi*.co*>; Nanci
LeVake <nlevake@pi*.co*>; techdiver@aq*.co*
<techdiver@aq*.co*>; cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: A Dead Skunk: The growing stink of Bottle Marking


>Tom, to read either your posts or your standards would require a
>special Evelyn Woods Dislextic Speed reading class. The fact is your
>bottle scheme is ridiculous in every way, a real mess. The fact is that
>nobody will adhere to this convoluted mess beyond the first attempt- it
>is too confused.
>
>  Your efforts to gooberize a simple situation tell a lot about where
>your real intersts lie.
>
>  You have a board of advisors who know nothing of this subject. Many of
>these guys have yet to do their first gas dive, yet you claim them as
>"experts". The WKPP has the unmatched man dives and track record that
>say they do know this subject. Neither you nor any of your "board" has
>made any effort to seek that information or find out why they do what
>they do . This is inexcusble.
>
>  I saw your private post to Bill Mee calling me a "dictator". This is
>your usual bullshit. The fact is we have 158 members who agree with our
>standards and practice them all over the world . They do so because
>those of us who developed them can explain them and have it make sense -
>something you can not do with your "standards". We have all seen the
>results of the personal preference crap at Wakulla - three accidents and
>a death. You could say we have 158 "dictators", because none of us will
>put up with bullshit like that.
>
>I saw you mention one of your BOA as "knowing as much about this as we
>do". Specificly Lamar Hires. While I have the "utermost respect for Mr.
>Lamar" ( to boroow from Bill "Farm Animal" Rennaker ), when Lamar Hires
>does his first gas dive, I will kiss your ass in Macy's window. This is
>what I mean - you are full of baloney.
>
>
>
>Tom Mount wrote:
>>
>> Obviously you do not read all the post
>> the MOD sticker does have 3 inch high letters on it.
>>
>> Respectfully yours,
>> Tom Mount
>> CEO IANTD World HQ
>> http://www.iantd.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nanci LeVake <nlevake@pi*.co*>
>> To: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>;
Ken
>> Sallot <sallot@mi*.co*>; kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
>> Cc: techdiver@aq*.co* <techdiver@aq*.co*>; cavers@cavers.com
>> <cavers@cavers.com>
>> Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: A Dead Skunk: The growing stink of Bottle Marking
>>
>> >I think Tom is missing a huge business opportunity.  What if IANTD
_made_
>> >new IANTDish MOD stickers?  They could be cool nitrox-y colors, oriented
>> >horizontally with 3 inch numerals, but the important thing is that ALL
>> >IANTD divers would be required to change their bottle marking stickers
to
>> >the new IANTD standard!    Those who couldn't dedicate two or three
>> >aluminum 80s as stage bottles would have to buy even more stickers so
they
>> >could cover up the old stickers.  It would make thousands!!!!!  It's so
>> >simple.  I don't know why someone didn't think of this sooner!  I've
solved
>> >the problem of IANTD tank marking!!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >At 04:52 PM 4/29/99 -0400, Bill Mee wrote:
>> >>Tom,
>> >>
>> >>LIke a dead skunk in the road, the subject of bottle markings gets
flatter
>> >>and flatter, but the stink just won't go away. I have patiently read
>> through
>> >>your bottle marking standards.  Colored Regulator Jackets and flaky
little
>> >>peel off MOD stickers just do not cut it. The argument has been made to
>> you
>> >>politely, impolitely, nastily, obnoxiously and just about every other
way
>> >>possible, yet the most obvious solution to the problem still is
missing.
>> It
>> >>is inconcievable that you don't understand the rationale and logic
behing
>> >>the 3" MODs on either side of gas bottles.
>> >>
>> >>My question is the following: What gives? You must a have a very big
>> problem
>> >>with this method or otherwise you would have incorporated it into your
>> >>standards a long time ago.  There must be a good reason for not doing
>> this.
>> >>Maybe the reason is a private one and cannot be answered in public for
>> >>reasons of liability or economics.  Fine, then plead the fifth.
Anyway,
>> I
>> >>think you owe everyone out here a reasonable explanation for what it is
>> that
>> >>you cannot accept about this method.
>> >>
>> >>I am not trying to be sarcastic and a wise guy here.  I am just very
>> curious
>> >>as to what the extreme prejudicial reason is for your finding double
sided
>> >>3" MODs less acceptable than scotch tape and colored regulator
jackets.
>> >>This is a fair question and since you are already out here in the midst
of
>> a
>> >>discussion on this public forum, in the capacity of director of the
>> largest
>> >>technical diving organization on earth, you are fair game.
>> >>
>> >>Best regards,
>> >>
>> >>Bill
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
>> >>To: Ken Sallot <sallot@mi*.co*>; kirvine@sa*.ne*
>> >><kirvine@sa*.ne*>
>> >>Cc: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; William J Turbeville II
<bturbo@ga*.ne*>;
>> >>techdiver@aq*.co* <techdiver@aq*.co*>; cavers@cavers.com
>> >><cavers@cavers.com>
>> >>Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 9:22 AM
>> >>Subject: Re: Fatality at Die Polder III
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Ken
>> >>>It is not just color coding however as any photography can tell you
and
>> you
>> >>>can prove by looking there are colors such as green, yellow and pink
that
>> >>>are still visible at depth regardless of ROY G BIV. They are less
>> brilliant
>> >>>but still seeable but the point is not the color it is they state
oxygen
>> 0r
>> >>>deco gas I or Nitrox is highly visible wording. so they are readable
to
>> all
>> >>>and identify the gas type and in deco gas and Oxygen state mod on
them,
>> >>>Second the contents tape is readable to the diver, third the MOD is
>> >>readable
>> >>>to all, fourth the mountpeice wrap is completely noticeable as you
cannot
>> >>>breat around it.
>> >>>
>> >>>Please remove me from your CC list
>> >>>
>> >>>Respectfully yours,
>> >>>Tom Mount
>> >>>CEO IANTD World HQ
>> >>>http://www.iantd.com
>> >>>
>> >>>-----Original Message-----
>> >>>From: Ken Sallot <sallot@mi*.co*>
>> >>>To: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
>> >>>Cc: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>; Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>;
>> >>>William J Turbeville II <bturbo@ga*.ne*>; techdiver@aq*.co*
>> >>><techdiver@aq*.co*>; cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
>> >>>Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:00 AM
>> >>>Subject: Re: Fatality at Die Polder III
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Even your typical Openwater 1 student should be able to tell you that
>> >>>>color coding things is stupid if for no other reason then ROYGBIV.
Next
>> >>>>we'll hear about how the students should sniff the gases to determin
the
>> >>>>proper amount of oxygen in the mix.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Billy , this is what happened with Jane ORensten - not only did
they
>> >>>>> have no idea what was in the tanks by looking at them, they never
even
>> >>>>> noticed she was breathing the wrong one based on the side bullshit
>> that
>> >>>>> Mount subscribes to ( and actually REQUIRES instructors to do if
you
>> can
>> >>>>> believe that ), and they did not notice that the colored regs ,
poodle
>> >>>>> jackets and the rest of the claptrap was wrong.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>--
>> >>>>"What's terrible is to pretend that the second-rate
>> >>>>is first-rate."
>> >>>>                      -- Doris Lessing
>> >>>>                       (British writer)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>> >http://www.pipeline.com/~nlevake/
>
>
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