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Good point Nanci. This is what I don't understand. Why would you bring =
a gas deep into a cave if you can't breath it without dying. It doesn't =
make sense. Leave the gas at a depth where it can be safely breathed. =
(I am talking strictly about O2)
There right Tom. A false sense of security develops when all of your =
"standards" are in place. I needs to kept simple. Simple equals =
staying alive. During a stressful moment or when narcosis is setting =
in, the more stimulis available to the diver...the worse it is. It =
takes more mental energy to make sense of all the stickers and colors. =
It's just unnessisary.
Brian Fairbanks =20
-----Original Message-----
From: Nanci LeVake <nlevake@pi*.co*>
To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; Ken Sallot =
<sallot@mi*.co*>; georget Irvine <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Cc: William J Turbeville II <bturbo@ga*.ne*>; =
techdiver@aq*.co* <techdiver@aq*.co*>; cavers@cavers.com =
<cavers@cavers.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: Fatality at Die Polder III
=20
=20
At 09:41 AM 4/28/99 -0400, Tom Mount wrote:
(snip)
>The diver made a human error which proved to be fatal, this is what =
we are
>all trying to avoid it is the reason we have the labeling standards =
we do.
>It is
>certainly the safest method to cover all basses.
=20
Well, _first_ they took a gas deeper than its MOD. If they hadn't =
done
that, this wouldn't have happened at all. Then one diver made a =
human
error, and his so-called "buddy", who was there for the express =
purpose of
backing up the fallible brain, did not do his job. Those two =
_should have_
been facing each other at all times during the stage bottle pick up. =
The
"buddy" should have noticed IMMEDIATELY that the diver was about to =
breathe
the wrong bottle, (had it been properly marked) and prevented this =
from
happening. Or were they doing some goofy crap like carrying the =
bottles
with them for the entire dive??????? It is _so_ easy not to kill =
yourself
when you dive. It's when you start breaking simple safety rules and
convoluting everything that deaths occur.
=20
Nanci
=20
>Now the real problem is making divers follow these safety =
procedures (or
>even yours) outside of a class or a project.
>
>We have taken steps to have our facilities start tight enforcement =
of these
>issues. However this does not cover those who do their own nor non
>facilities al we can do is hope they will follow these or similar
>procedure(including yours).
>
>Unfortunately many of the more experienced divers are the ones who
>tend to ignore these practices when diving on their own. A fact =
history has
>already proven.
>
>Respectfully yours,
>Tom Mount
>CEO IANTD World HQ
>http://www.iantd.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
>To: Ken Sallot <sallot@mi*.co*>
>Cc: freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed* =
<freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*>;
>cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>; techdiver@aq*.co*
><techdiver@aq*.co*>; tom.mount@wo*.at*.ne*
><tom.mount@wo*.at*.ne*>
>Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 6:13 AM
>Subject: Re: Fatality at Die Polder III
>
>
>>Ken, try talking to your dog - at least he will wag his tail. To =
talk to
>>this guy and his "board of advisors" you need a translator - see
>>Rennaker and have him bring some of his farm animal buddies to do =
the
>>talking, like Mr Ed or Elsie.
>>
>>Don't waate your breath, diving as we know it is done. Our =
organiztion
>>may be the only survivor. Gavin prdicted this years ago, and =
Parker
>>Turner took this to Tom years ago . It has only gotten worse.
>>
>>Ken Sallot wrote:
>>>
>>> Tom,
>>>
>>> How many people have to fucking die before you get it through =
your thick
>>> skull about how bottles should be marked? 60' on pure fucking =
oxygen?
>>> What the hell gives with that shit?
>>>
>>> Ken Sallot
>>> WKPP
>>> --
>>> "What's terrible is to pretend that the second-rate
>>> is first-rate."
>>> -- Doris Lessing
>>> (British writer)
>>
>>
>>
>
=20
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
http://www.pipeline.com/~nlevake/=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 face=3DFixedsys size=3D2>Good point =
Nanci. This is=20
what I don't understand. Why would you bring a gas deep into a =
cave if you=20
can't breath it without dying. It doesn't make sense. Leave =
the gas=20
at a depth where it can be safely breathed. (I am talking strictly =
about=20
O2)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 face=3DFixedsys size=3D2>There right =
Tom. A false=20
sense of security develops when all of your "standards" are in =
place. I needs to kept simple. Simple equals staying =
alive. =20
During a stressful moment or when narcosis is setting in, the more =
stimulis=20
available to the diver...the worse it is. It takes more mental =
energy to=20
make sense of all the stickers and colors. It's just=20
unnessisary.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 face=3DFixedsys
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 face=3DFixedsys size=3D2>Brian =
Fairbanks =20
</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000080 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>-----Original =
Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=20
</B>Nanci LeVake <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:nlevake@pi*.co*">nlevake@pipeline.com</A>><BR><B>T=
o:=20
</B>Tom Mount <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*">TOM.MOUNT@worldnet.att.net</A>=
>;=20
Ken Sallot <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:sallot@mi*.co*">sallot@mindspring.com</A>>; =
georget=20
Irvine <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*">kirvine@safari.net</A>><BR><B>Cc:=20
</B>William J Turbeville II <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:bturbo@ga*.ne*">bturbo@gate.net</A>>; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aq*.co*">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A> =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aq*.co*">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A>>; =
<A=20
href=3D"mailto:cavers@cavers.com">cavers@cavers.com</A> <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:cavers@cavers.com">cavers@cavers.com</A>><BR><B>Date:
=20
</B>Wednesday, April 28, 1999 11:52 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: =
Fatality at=20
Die Polder III<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>At 09:41 AM 4/28/99 -0400,
Tom =
Mount=20
wrote:<BR>(snip)<BR>>The diver made a human error which proved to =
be=20
fatal, this is what we are<BR>>all trying to avoid it is the =
reason we=20
have the labeling standards we do.<BR>>It is<BR>>certainly the =
safest=20
method to cover all basses.<BR><BR>Well, _first_ they took a gas =
deeper than=20
its MOD. If they hadn't done<BR>that, this wouldn't have =
happened at=20
all. Then one diver made a human<BR>error, and his so-called=20
"buddy", who was there for the express purpose =
of<BR>backing up=20
the fallible brain, did not do his job. Those two _should=20
have_<BR>been facing each other at all times during the stage bottle =
pick=20
up. The<BR>"buddy" should have noticed IMMEDIATELY =
that the=20
diver was about to breathe<BR>the wrong bottle, (had it been =
properly=20
marked) and prevented this from<BR>happening. Or were they =
doing some=20
goofy crap like carrying the bottles<BR>with them for the entire=20
dive??????? It is _so_ easy not to kill yourself<BR>when you=20
dive. It's when you start breaking simple safety rules=20
and<BR>convoluting everything that deaths =
occur.<BR><BR>Nanci<BR><BR>>Now=20
the real problem is making divers follow these safety procedures=20
(or<BR>>even yours) outside of a class or a =
project.<BR>><BR>>We=20
have taken steps to have our facilities start tight enforcement of=20
these<BR>>issues. However this does not cover those who do their =
own nor=20
non<BR>>facilities al we can do is hope they will follow these or =
similar<BR>>procedure(including =
yours).<BR>><BR>>Unfortunately many=20
of the more experienced divers are the ones who<BR>>tend to =
ignore these=20
practices when diving on their own. A fact history =
has<BR>>already=20
proven.<BR>><BR>>Respectfully yours,<BR>>Tom =
Mount<BR>>CEO IANTD=20
World HQ<BR>><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.iantd.co">http://www.iantd.co</A>m<BR>><BR>>--
--=
-Original=20
Message-----<BR>>From: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*">kirvine@safari.net</A> <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*">kirvine@safari.net</A>><BR>>To: =
Ken=20
Sallot <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:sallot@mi*.co*">sallot@mindspring.com</A>><BR>&g=
t;Cc:=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*">freeattic@condor.circa.ufl=
..edu</A>=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*">freeattic@condor.circa.ufl=
..edu</A>>;<BR>><A=20
href=3D"mailto:cavers@cavers.com">cavers@cavers.com</A> <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:cavers@cavers.com">cavers@cavers.com</A>>; <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aq*.co*">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A><BR>>=
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aq*.co*">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A>>; =
<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:tom.mount@wo*.at*.ne*">tom.mount@worldnet.att.net</A>=
<BR>><<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:tom.mount@wo*.at*.ne*">tom.mount@worldnet.att.net</A>=
><BR>>Date:=20
Wednesday, April 28, 1999 6:13 AM<BR>>Subject: Re: Fatality at =
Die Polder=20
III<BR>><BR>><BR>>>Ken, try talking to your dog - at =
least he=20
will wag his tail. To talk to<BR>>>this guy and his =
"board of=20
advisors" you need a translator - see<BR>>>Rennaker and =
have him=20
bring some of his farm animal buddies to do the<BR>>>talking, =
like Mr=20
Ed or Elsie.<BR>>><BR>>>Don't waate your breath, diving =
as we=20
know it is done. Our organiztion<BR>>>may be the only =
survivor. Gavin=20
prdicted this years ago, and Parker<BR>>>Turner took this to =
Tom years=20
ago . It has only gotten worse.<BR>>><BR>>>Ken Sallot=20
wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>> =
Tom,<BR>>>><BR>>>>=20
How many people have to fucking die before you get it through your=20
thick<BR>>>> skull about how bottles should be marked? 60' =
on pure=20
fucking oxygen?<BR>>>> What the hell gives with that=20
shit?<BR>>>><BR>>>> Ken Sallot<BR>>>>=20
WKPP<BR>>>> --<BR>>>> "What's terrible is to =
pretend=20
that the second-rate<BR>>>> is=20
=
first-rate."<BR>>>> &nbs=
p; =
; =20
-- Doris=20
=
Lessing<BR>>>> &n=
bsp; &nb=
sp; =20
(British=20
=
writer)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>><BR><BR>*~*
~*~*~*~*~*~=
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.pipeline.com/~nlevake/">http://www.pipeline.com/~nleva=
ke/</A>=20
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