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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:15:25 -0500
To: Chris Werner <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*>
CC: cavers@cavers.com, freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*,
     Rebreather List ,
     "William M. Smithers"
Subject: Re: OC Long hose with Rebreathers
Will, could you tell us again , "who has the end of the line?" ( to
quote Bill Main). In order to understand why we do what we do, one has
to have been there , done that. The Great White Hope of the pocket
protector set was given its chance at Wakulla, and the result would
appear to indicate that open circuit and in water deco are superior to a
cis luaoner with bell and chamber. 

I know, I know: he had no divers and could not figure out how to make
the copied scooters work, and he only had three times as many dives as
we have ever had in perfect conditions, the divers had to monitor the RB
so it took them two or three times as long to do any dive as it does us,
and I did not give him the rest of the map ( the other 25,000 feet of
cvae he missed) or hold his clammy, shaking little thieving hands, but
the bottom line is that until somebody can do it better than us, the
"comedy" is in the speculation about what none of you knows first hand,
otherwise commonly referred to in the trade as "jack shit".

Electronic rebreathers I am sure are great fun, just like the computer
on my Corvette: I love playing with it while driving along, but when I
need to put the hammer down, I turn it off, in line with what Werner is
telling you. All of you are missing the best information in diving
because you just don't want to face the facts. Not from me, since I
don't care to share any of it, but from my guys who actively do so. I do
not see most of them on the RB list, like Jablonski, Scarabin or Rose.
Since Rose has a PHD in applied mathematics and teaches computer math at
South Carolina, and is a world class cave diver and rb diver, maybe you
can tell him how stupid he is.

This team ( the WKPP ) performs anyplace, any time better than anyone
ever has. Witness our last one-day job in Merida, and everyplace else we
have been. This is called knowing what we are doing. The Rebreather list
is a classic case of the blind leading the blind. It is just a good
thing that none of you spend much time diving, or it would read like a
Kosovo obituary column.

When are you coming down here anyway? I can see we are going to have to
put you into sensory deprivation and reprogram you again like the KGB
used to do to its bad apples. Don't drink the coolaide.


Chris Werner wrote:
> 
> Smithers you couldn't keep up with our land support. Get a clue. If you had
> half a brain you could understand how simple most of this is. You guys just
> feel more intelligent by trying overcomplicate everything, thus leading to
> endless dribble about the most ridiculous crap. This in hopes of trying to
> pump up your ego to make up for what a flailing nightmare you are in the
> water.
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William M. Smithers <will@tr*.co*>
> To: Chris Werner <clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*>
> Cc: H20Caver <ezimmerm@ch*.ca*.us*.ed*>; rebreather@nw*.co*
> <rebreather@nw*.co*>
> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 9:52 PM
> Subject: Re: OC Long hose with Rebreathers
> 
> >
> >On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Chris Werner wrote:
> >> William M. Smithers wrote:
> >> >This is certainly not DIR, but then again, DIR doesn't
> >> >exactly address closed-circuit rebreather diving
> >> >does it?  That is, other than from the enlightened
> >> >perspective that only a "stroke" would dive a CCR in
> >> >the first place...
> >> >
> >> Couldn't have said it better myself.
> >
> >That's true.  Not that you haven't tried in your own pre-programmed,
> >knee-jerk, glassy-eyed way.
> >
> >Paul & Bill: these wannabe's are boring.  Maybe you should bring GIV
> >back.  At least *he* had some grossly irrational arguments that offered
> >a bit of good fun, while still being exposed as complete blather.
> >G's third-tier bum-boys clearly aren't even up to a "place" at the painted
> >poodle show.  Fer chrissakes, at least give us a little fresh Mee-grass
> >to mow down.
> >
> >-Will
> >
> >

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