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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 03:06:26 -0600
From: "Nelson L. Johnson Jr." <nelson@is*.co*>
Organization: Island Quest Dive Center
To: Jsuw@ao*.co*
CC: mmowens@pa*.co*, cavers@cavers.com
Subject: Re: Gloves in caves?
I do not were gloves in water as cold as 47 F any colder than that I would think
gloves are necessary.  Of coarse this is up to the diver and there ability to
deal
with cold water.  If I do wear gloves it is of the thinner  models.  I like the
titanium gloves that are 3 mm if I do wear gloves.  Cutting out the fingers is
also a good choose for people who like to where gloves.  I am one of the few who
tolerate the cold and deal with it until it is to cold for me.

Jsuw@ao*.co* wrote:

> In a message dated 3/27/99 10:44:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> mmowens@pa*.co* writes:
>
> > Pardon me, please, for asking what may be a really stupid question...
> >
> >  Is it ever okay (DIR, that is) to wear gloves in a cave? For example, if
> >  the water is cold, say 40 degrees (Fahrenheit), is it okay to wear gloves?
>
> I can't even pretend to be a spokesperson for DIR.  I'll just share my
> opinion.
>
> Warm water cavers choose not to wear gloves in order to have increased tactile
> sensation in case it becomes necessary to make contact with the line.  For
> example, in case of a silt out.  Most of the time, nothing occurs during a
> dive which would require contact with the line.
>
> In cold water, numb hands reduce tactile sensation and dexterity.  It would be
> important to keep hands warm for routine tasks during the dive, such as
> clipping and unclipping stage bottles, adjusting bouyancy, etc. and also for
> non-routine tasks such as valve shutdowns.  In case there is some reason to
> contact the line, the glove can be removed at that time.
>
> Further, my interpretation of the DIR philosophy is to use the right equipment
> for the dive, use only necessary equipment, configure it in a routine manner
> that works no matter what auxilliary equipment is added for the dive (e.g.
> scooters, lights, stage bottles, argon bottles), and in general have a reason
> for any equipment being used.  I may have missed a basic pretext in there, but
> I think I hit the highlights.
>
> My opinion is that cold water diving has different requirements than warm
> water diving.  Proper exposure protection is required in any environment.  For
> cold water, gloves are part of that.
>
> Another example of a different requirement has to do with the size of clips
> used on lights, stage bottles, etc.  In cold water, because of those gloves,
> large clips should be used.  It's easier to manipulate them while wearing
> thick gloves than the smaller clips.  Certainly these larger clips can also be
> used in warm water, but warm water divers don't require them, and thus may not
> routinely use them.  They are more expensive than similar smaller clips, after
> all.  In keeping with the DIR philosophy of being able to use the same gear
> configuration in any environment, I'd have to say that warm water divers who
> might someday dive in cold water should move to using the larger clips.
>
> Is it DIR to use gloves in a cave?  Is it DIR to use small clips on equipment?
> It's DIR to use the equipment that is necessary, proper, required for the
> dives you do or might do.  I think this means that gloves and large clips in
> cold water are ok and no gloves and small clips in warm water are also ok.
>
> -JS

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