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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 07:52:44 -0500
To: mike bruic <mikebruic@di*.co*>
CC: techdiver <techdiver@aq*.co*>, cavers@cavers.com,
     Cost effective home improvement
Subject: Re: The circus is leaving town!!!!
8 semis trainlers of gear and they could not do what we do in one Little
Piker Weekend. 

Now we can go back and get on with exploring the cave since they were
unable to get to any of it. They missed half ( 25,000 feet ) of what we
have already done, and we have not done much relative to what is there
within easy reach.

I am just glad these morons did not get any of the cave that I was
saving for my Cave Stallions who have busted their chops learning how to
do this properly and deserve to be able to do the exploration.

The biggest thanks goes to Chris Werner, who went over to Indian to
"dive", let the usdct all gather around and ask questions, and "let it
slip" that we "don't go over the Mountain". Being idiots and complete
neophytes, these deco weenies believed Chris because they wanted to
believe that. They never saw the tunnel at the Mountain, and hence
missed miles of beautiful giant conduit that is only partially explored.
That deep air diving vagrant Kikok got his panties in a wad so badly
over the line being broken in K Tunnel that he never thought we might
actually cut some back completely . I did , I admit it, and they never
found it. He thought we were hiding K - K only adds a ton of deco to the
dives ( we don't do it anyway, so we go any way we please). What a
complete moron - they never even suspected any jumps, only T's, and they
did not understand that the best way on is not the continuous line, but
most often the T'd line. In fact, to get to the 18,065 end, you must
make 18 correct decisions as to the T's and jumps. They never even got
halfway there.

 Then Chris told them that A had all the leads. They way he told them,
they thought he must be lying. He was telling the truth. They got so
twisted around back there that they did a giant dive in circles and
thought the arrows were wrong.I laughed my ass off when I saw the depth
reading from the dives . I know that survey inside out, and I could see
them pasing over the same known spots repeatedly, geting near the end,
and going the wrong way each time - a clasic. Then Brent told Stone is 
"got small" back there ( again the truth, but not the whole story), so
Kekuk believed it and stalled at the first restriction, beyond which the
cave is the size of Diepolder II . They then did not believe my map of A
( Stone asked Brent if it was one big "room" but did not believe the
answer), and did not know I left off five tunnels there, three tunels
off of O, and that there was an inadvertant transmission error on the
web map that we never corrected which pushjes M to the east ( the small
portion of it that we released a map for), instead of south .

 When they tried to figure it all out, they mistook the A-O crossover
for A. A actually ramps up over O, goes over the Chamber, goes over K,
and heads Northwest towards Leon Sinks at a depth of only 200 feet. The
end is only 7500 feet out, and they missed it. We left it because we did
not have enough dives before the cave went down last August ( we thought
we could get it last since it was so close in and so shallow - we do
that stuff on open circuit), and had to be sure to get anything in O
since we knew that all these heroes wanted to do was try to compete with
us ( they failed miserably at that one). We got everything out to 9,500
feet and just jumped the rest. The Brits fell just shy of reaching that
tunnel, and the plethora of leads we had to leave beyond that point. We
felt ok with that one since that lead has another mile of line in it,
and the first lead off of it is 3 grand in. The mother lode is all just
beyond Cherokee Sink. We were well aware that these guys could not
operate effectively "Downtown" like we can . They just do not have the
skill, knowledge, techniques, gear or teamwork to run for hours and then
play the game with total relaxed ease and comfort that we do. They also
do not have the hundreds of dives like this to know what works and what
does not, and to know for sure that they will be home for dinner . 

 They also did not have somebody calling the shots who knew what they
were talking about - a HUGE difference in confindence and results.

These dopes tried to go down the sypon at Cherokee on sidemount, not
knowing that the tunnel we put in there goes clean over the O Tunnel 100
feet above it and then dives down deeper than O Tunnel beyond it,
completely missing it. Hello, the "connection" is on the other side
through another tunnel, and again, if you can not get the big gear
through there, then there is no point in bothering with it. We did not
need to cave radio that one, we could see the sinkhole from underneath
on both sides, and my survey method is dead accurate, contrary to what
that bullshitter Stone said about it.

The best two misses of all were actually one in K that is right at the
beginning - they were so glued to the line they never saw it, and one
that they rode under every day in the ceiling that is a "nose on your
face" obvious tunnel, clearly marked on the line below. Thes guys must
never have looked right, left up or down. A cave to them looks like the
cis lunar display only. 

I got nervous when I read about that stroke Hinerth putting down the
mapper on a "shelf" to recalibrate it. That shelf is sitting right under
a huge tunnel that is not T'd into A - the big timer missed it
completely, but then if I were diving with this collection of buddy
leaving strokes, I would have missed it also. When it is "every man for
himself," it is no longer anything but trying to stay alive , as proven
by the usdct.  

Unfortunatley, my team has instructed me not to release any maps of any
tunnel of any cave until that portion is walled out beyond any question,
so we will not be releasing any Wakulla maps . They feel that anyone
with a big story can get a permit and go have a shot at us, and there is
no telling who will try it next or what the great excuse will be.
Obviously , a decade of hard work and great results means nothing - this
has been proven to us.

Leon Sinks is nobody's business but the people who are letting us dive,
and I am legally bound to run all data through them. There will be no
maps of that in public hands either. While I seriously doubt that anyone
will be able to override my long term agreements there, after this last
fiasco, we are never taking that chance again.

Besides setting back cave diving for decades, creating an embarrssing
cluster, and doing absolutely nothing, Stone has now driven us to
secrecy . The attitude of my team is now that nobody needs to know how
we do anything, and those secrets are going to stop with those guys
since they are the only ones I show anything to, and if they think that
way, then that is the way it will be, since they are the future of this
project. 

The usdct is and was everything I said it is and was, and I was right on
every count with those guys. Now they can be remembered for what they
are - complete idiots, and dangerous strokes.

mike bruic wrote:
> 
> Yes, they even posted it, they also stated that it would take 8 semi
> trailers to remove all the gear, I suspect 4 of these are needed to
> remove all the droppings left by the lab rats and Stone. BTW, was Barb
> the bearded lady????
> 
> Bruic


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