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From: "Bill Cowan" <BCowan@pc*.gu*.ne*>
To: "cavers" <cavers@cavers.com>
Subject: Fw: in all seriousness
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:59:19 -0600

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Cowan <BCowan@gu*.ne*>
To: Ken Sallot <kens@ac*.ne*>
Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: in all seriousness


>Your right Ken, I don't like your answer.  I've been diving for 10 years
>now, both open water and over-head environments with no problems.  If
>someone is a diabetic (type 1 or 2), they will always be a diabetic.  You
>can "control" diabetes with diet, exercise, and medication, but you will
>still have the disease.  Therefor, I find your recommendation to stop cave
>diving "period" is very closed minded.  Your friend is a "controlled"
>diabetic.  Please foward your recommendation to him, I would be very
>interested in his reply.  As I stated before, I have been diving for 10
>years now without any problems.  I do give the following recommendations to
>all diabetics (type 1 & 2) who continue to dive (cave or otherwise):
>1. control your diabetes
>2. check your BGL before and after each dive (put it in your log book)
>3. eat a good meal of complex carbs. before the dive
>4. carry a tube of glucose paste with you during the dive
>5. if dive is long w/deco, store food (clif bar, fruit bar) not candy with
>your deco bottles.
>6. stay well hydrated before, during, and after the dive.  high BGL's have
a
>diuretic effect on the body, and we all know the evils of dehydration!
>*** MOST IMPORTANT - "EXPLAIN" your condition to your dive partners. Don't
>just tell them that you are a diabetic, "EXPLAIN".  If they no longer wish
>to dive with you, that is their choice, but make it an informed choice.  If
>they still wish to dive with you, make sure that they know the signs to
look
>for and what to do for you if you do happen to have a diabetic emergency.
>Be very honest with yourself and your dive partners, don't push your
>personal limits.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ken Sallot <kens@ac*.ne*>
>To: Bill Cowan <BCowan@pc*.gu*.ne*>
>Cc: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
>Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 7:16 AM
>Subject: Re: in all seriousness
>
>
>Bill,
>
>Turn off the caps lock before writing email to anyone or you'll not
>get much in the way of pleasant responses.
>
>Type 2 is adult onset, correct? Usually caused by being overweight. A
>quote from www.diabetes.org, "The risk of developing type 2 diabetes
>increases with age, obesity, and lack of physical activity."
>
>The risk is that at some point during the dive a diabetics blood
>sugar drops to such a point that they go into a diabetic coma.
>Decompression diving especially puts the diver at risk of this
>because of the extra stresses on the body (hypothermia, extra
>exertion, etc).
>
>For recreational diving I would say to a non-insulin dependent
>diabetic they should be ok as long as they get doctors approval to
>engage in the activity.
>
>But, for decompression diving, overhead environment (cave/wreck), or
>deep diving, any diabetic who engages in the activity (insulin
>dependent or non-insulin dependent) is needlessly putting both
>himself and his dive buddies at risk. If you're a type 2 diabetic
>then you need to quit cave diving, period. I know you may not like
>this answer, but it's for your own good. If you're insulin dependent
>you need to quit diving of any sort.
>
>On the other hand, there are numerous studies of non-insulin
>dependent type II diabetics who have beaten the diabetes curse
>through diet and exercise. I know a guy in Atlanta who a year ago was
>diagnosed as a diabetic, and when I saw him at the NACD conference in
>November he informed me the doctors couldn't find a trace of diabetes
>in him now. He beat it through diet and exercise (although his diet
>is a little radical). So, if you're a non-insulin dependent diabetic,
>take the weight off and start a regular exercise program. The only
>thing holding you back is yourself.
>
>Ken
>
>> From:          "Bill Cowan" <BCowan@pc*.gu*.ne*>
>> To:            "Ken Sallot" <kens@ac*.ne*>
>> Subject:       Re: in all seriousness
>> Date:          Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:56:23 -0600
>
>>  I DO NOT KNOW OF THIS INCIDENT, BUT AS A CAVE DIVER WHO IS  A TYPE 2
>> DIABETIC, I WAS WONDERING WHAT  DIABETES HAD TO DO WITH HIS APPARENT O2
>TOX.
>> IF ANYONE HAS ANY GOOD INFO ON DIABETES (TYPE 1 OR 2) AND DIVING PLEASE
>> EMAIL ME WITH IT.  THIS SUBJECT IS CURRENTLY UNDER STUDY BY DAN AND IS OF
>> VERY SPECIAL INTEREST TO ME.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ken Sallot <kens@ac*.ne*>
>> To: cavers@cavers.com <cavers@cavers.com>
>> Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 3:27 PM
>> Subject: in all seriousness
>>
>>
>> I did hear someone toxed at Wakulla yesterday. I have heard he's
>> alive, but that's all.
>>
>> Does anyone know how long he's been a diabetic? The word was his
>> diabetes coupled with a head cold (which made him take a bunch of
>> sudafed) contributed to his higher then usual susceptability to
>> oxygen toxicity.
>>
>> Ken
>> "Say, is that your Captain Marvel secret decoder lunchbox you got
>> hanging back there?" - Anon E. Mouse
>>
>>
>>
>"Say, is that your Captain Marvel secret decoder lunchbox you got
>hanging back there?" - Anon E. Mouse
>
>


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