Bill, these lying lowlifes are FOS - that guy is STILL in the hospital
and that means he is in bad shape. These guys are dangerous, lying,
cheating, scamming trash - every last one of them.

This is proving to be the best call I ever made, and we have not seen
anything yet. These idiots have done absolutely nothing but stage
clusters and accidents, lie, exaggerate, mislead, and prove that not
only are they incompetent misfits, they are pathetic wimps to boot.

The clowns got to the F Tunnel crossover and think it is D. This "map"
will be real accurate. 

47 minutes to get to where we drop our deco bottle. ONE HOUR to rountrip
F Tunnel. That is the distance to the Maple Leaf in Ginnie. Thse guys
are the worst "cave divers" ever asembled in one place. 



Bill Mee wrote:
> 
> Richie,
> 
> Like yourself I have read and reread the chapter entitled the "Pathogenesis
> of the Decompression Disorders" in the Physiology and Medicine of Diving and
> I don't  require a refresher course from you regarding the ramifications of
> dcs.  I am well aware of the potential seriousness of any form of overtly
> manifested DCS whether it be "cutis marmorata" or "obstruction of lymphatic
> vessels", pedantic admonishments from you to the contrary.
> 
> It is with this awaremeness that I am particularly amazed that
> 
> "John Vanderleest is still at the hospital, but doing well. He went on a
> second chamber run in the afternoon, as a security measure, not because any
> further treatment was specifically indicated. He will spend the night at the
> hospital and has an MRI tentatively scheduled for his knee tomorrow."
> 
> Now I want you to raise your right hand now Richie (no two 60 minute bottom
> times at 300 ft in one day, please).  Is the MRI of his brain or of his
> knee? and if the MRI is really a brain scan to check for potential lesions
> then why was this not disclosed originally?  My guess is that in addition to
> feeling "pain in his leg" John Vanderleest also probably evidenced symptoms,
> which suggested possible neurologic complications and that as we might
> expect a full disclosure is being withheld.
> 
> You can be rest assured that the park will expect a full disclosure.
> 
> Rich, how does having a chamber on site make any difference? Is Stone and
> King now going have one of those large semi tractor trailer mobile MRI units
> on site now as well along with a full mobile surgery and hyperbaric medical
> staff?  And you guys haven't even got started yet.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>
> To: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>
> Cc: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>; Techdiver
> <techdiver@aq*.co*>; rebreather@nw*.co*
> <rebreather@nw*.co*>; Houston Cavers List
> <HoustonCaveDivers@ca*.co*>; Cost effective home improvement
> <freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*>; cavers <cavers@cavers.com>;
> kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 2:47 AM
> Subject: RE: More USDCTisms
> 
> >> So Vanderleest's DCS is more than a little "leg pain" huh?
> >
> >Who said that?  Bends is bends.  It is always a serious matter.
> >
> >> As for your "Cutis marmorata", skin bends for the for the English
> >> speaking,
> >
> >That's an oversimplification.  "Skin Bends" is a colloquial term that
> refers
> >several different, and apparently unrelated barotrauma.  The common forms
> >are generally thought to be mild and are often categorized as "Type I".
> >C.M., on the other hand, appears to be a CNS ("Type II") disorder;
> affecting
> >the spinal column and primary nerves.  It's also a very ominous form of
> >bends, for documented cases tend to preceed more serious symptoms like
> >chokes and death.  It is **NOT** simply "massive edema which accompanies
> dcs
> >of the fatty tissues surrounding the abdomen".  We have a diving physiology
> >workgroup consisting of myself, Joe, John Earle, Dave Pence (U.H. Diving
> >Safety Officer), and Dr. Bob Overlock (Chamber guru for the state of
> >Hawaii).  We meet about once a month to have serious discussions about
> >particular aspects of diving physiology.  One of our first meetings
> >discussed cutis marmorata.  We have it on videotape, if you'd like to see a
> >copy.
> >
> >> we are talking about the massive edema which accompanies dcs of the fatty
> >> tissues surrounding the abdomen and we affectionately have termed
> >> "slobitis". You essentially become a temporary fat slob as a
> >> result of this
> >> or a fatter slob if you already are one.  Anyone can develop symptoms of
> >> this, even skinny  people such as yourself (I've seen pictures of
> >> you). What
> >> is amusing, assuming you still have a sense of humor is that an otherwise
> >> normal person develops what appears to be a beer gut, without the
> >> beer. You
> >> find yourself walking around for a week with belt undone and your
> >> shirt out. I thought you knew about these things.
> >
> >Actually, I thought *you* knew about these things, but apparently you do
> >not.
> >
> >> You learn to differentiate what is bad and what is just
> >> routine "beating".  In fact the term deco "beating" is accurate,
> >> because it
> >> sometimes feels as though someone physically beat you with a wooden bat
> >> about the fleshy areas if you do not do your deep stops just
> >> right.
> >
> >I think I need to send you the tape on Cutis marmorata.  While I agree that
> >joint pain is not something to get "bent out of shape" about (so to speak),
> >the same is NOT true of C.M.  It's one of the most serious forms of DCS,
> >from what I've learned.
> >
> >> Rich, now that Dituri has come out the closet, so to speak what
> >> will be next shoe to drop?
> >
> >That's for you guys to guess.
> >
> >> As for the dive times. At least you published your Mk 4 downloads
> >> during the
> >> Pahlau expedition and we could see just what happened. According
> >> to someone,
> >> the Cis Lunar dive logs are to be published on the website. This will go
> a
> >> long way to telling us just what is really going on. Why don't you
> mention
> >> this during your nightly conversation with Dr. Stone.
> >
> >The last time I spoke with Bill Stone was Monday, November 30th.  I spoke
> to
> >him for 5 minutes on the phone, to ask him where to send some video image
> >download hardware.  Since then, I have had no contact with him whatsoever,
> >phone, email, or otherwise.  The only information I have besides what has
> >been posted on the web is a couple of short emails from Barbara Am Ende.
> >Most of that discussion was comments on the web site, and also asking her
> >where to send the video stuff. I haven't even heard from Joe yet - I guess
> >he still must be pissed at me.....
> >
> >Aloha,
> >Rich
> >
> >

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