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From: "RMC" <halcyon@ha*.ne*>
To: <heinerth@gt*.ne*>, "John R. Rose" <rose@cs*.sc*.ed*>
Cc: <dive4wrk@pi*.co*>, <Cavers@cavers.com>, <techdiver@aq*.co*>
Subject: RE: You fit right in (somewhere)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:52:15 -0800
Alright kids,

Here is the marketing chance for the scooter copy king and the clearing
house for this current BS.

Joey, just tell us how great the new scooter is and where we can all go buy
one can get on with it. I need to not see this stupidity much longer and our
guys are not going to let up and Richie has too much time on his hands to
just tell the truth.

I asked you the other day as you where explaining how you where not able to
stay for the HALCYON refresher and must get home to Amy on tuesday. You
where reluctant to tell who was knocking off the WKPP scooter even as I was
showing you the inner workings of my business. You told me several weeks ago
that your reason for the Florida trip was originally W2, but due to certain
unresolvable issues, that had come to pass. The plane ticket was purchased,
you needed to spend time here, and help Tom teach a class anyway, and we
would have some time to dive the new HALCYON features, so you were coming
anyway. Was that all just aviodance of the uncomfortable subject of working
with W2, or were you just following Clinton's definition of honesty? Are you
really going home to Amy tonight, or do you plan to continue as chamber taxi
driver? Your RB will be finished in the next day or two if that matters.

Out of respect for the lives at stake, try your best to inform those who
think they can go long on the CIS that the  insidious fault will probably
occur after prolonged and consistent exposure at a near constant depth when
they least expect it. The membrane will not protect the sensors from a long
term and gradual deposit of dewpoint released moisture due to the slight
temperature drop on the inside of the memebrane after the dramatic temp rise
from the scrubber. This moisture accumulation process is not the type they
have experienced on the short, shallow, and inconsistent dives reported to
date.  This gradual degradation in sensor efficacy will fool the electronics
and the diver (in my humble opinion of course). How would you deal with a
full set of readings that you could not trust 100 minutes in at 285 ffw?
Would you just blow off your deep stops and bail to the nearest OC gas? I am
sure Richie will tell us.

Give me a call if you do not care to air the truth here(954) 295-5440.

RMC

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Pyle [mailto:deepreef@bi*.or*]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 10:37 AM
To: heinerth@gt*.ne*; John R. Rose
Cc: dive4wrk@pi*.co*; Cavers@cavers.com; techdiver@aq*.co*; PYLE,
Richard
Subject: RE: You fit right in


Joe,

It's pretty clear that they still don't know what's going on. They're using
the shotgun approach to retort.  I suggest we leave them confused for a
while longer.  If they haven't figured it out by the time we each get back
from our respective trips, maybe we'll explain it to them.

Take care,
Rich

Richard L. Pyle
Ichthyology, Bishop Museum
1525 Bernice St., Honolulu, HI 96817
Ph: (808) 848-4115  Fax: (808) 847-8252
email: deepreef@bi*.or*

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jill Heinerth [mailto:heinerth@gt*.ne*]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 1:02 AM
> To: John R. Rose
> Cc: dive4wrk@pi*.co*; Cavers@cavers.com; techdiver@aq*.co*; PYLE,
> Richard
> Subject: Re: You fit right in
>
>
> John BOY et al,
>
> >Imagine my surprise at seeing you on the WakToo web page.
>
> What the heck are you talking about.  I told Robert and saw JJ and Dan
> Volker the day before I left.  I told them I had to goto my
> Grandmother's house to close it up for the winter, then I was heading up
> to WAK2 to pick up a scooter for Rich and tie up some loose ends.
>
> >I guess now we can see why you were so defensive with respect
> >to the USDCT's lack of competance to dive Wakulla.
>
> First of all "competance" is spelled competence.  For a phD in computers
> you should be able to work a spell check.
>
> What the heck are you talking about.  I am responding to an emergency
> situation and helping make this project more safe.  You have no concern
> what I am doing.  YOU have not replied to my personal e-mail to you,
> so...
>
> >Well, I am sure
> >with you on board to unbend them, that will make all of the difference.
>
> You speak as though wakula guys NEVER get bent.  I KNOW your guys have
> been bent.  Stop the being ignorant.
>
> >Are you going to get to dive Wakulla?
>
> NO, I am NOT a good enough cave diver and I have my hands full setting
> up a chamber and PTC system.  I did bring my dry suit, but I will use
> that for lock ins and outs from the SAT chamber.
>
> >I'm sure that you are as competant
> >as anyone else on the team. After all, nobody else has any experience
> >in this kind of thing either.
>
> First of all "competant" is spelled competent.  For a phD in computers
> you should be able to work a spell check.
> Why are you being an ass?  You are convinced that these guys know
> nothing.  A SHORT 3 years ago, you and I sat around and said, "those
> cave diver guys are crazy".  Now, you are a GOD.  3 years from non
> certified diver to DIVE GOD. WOW.  Can you teach me???
>
> >I am however surprised that knowing George Irvine's reservations
> >concerning USDCT, you as an at the time "stealth" member of USDCT
> >tried to quickly get George to sell you one of his scooters.
>
> NO, you have engaged in the alligator mouth and humming bird ass
> syndrome.  I was trying to get a scooter to make my dives in HAWAII
> safer.
>
> >You must have realized that if you were honest and showed your true
> >colors you wouldn't stand a snowball's chance of getting a Gavin
> >scooter.
>
> No, see my note above about the alligator.  TRUE COLORS?  Since when do
> I need to pay a person to SELL me something, then tell them everything I
> will do with it.  All I wanted was a scooter which would go to 400-500
> feet.  George said his could not do it.  I moved on to someone who
> could.  Be careful, you do not know EVERYTHING.
>
> >What's the matter? Don't trust Stone's bad copies?
>
> Boy have you got your LIONS crossed.  Who said I have a Stone's copy.  I
> bought a scooter which would go to 400-500 feet from the FACTORY!  Rich
> is getting a scooter from Stone or someone else which I am picking up
> while I am here...
> >Well, as you say, this is America. I suppose that you agree with our
> >president, deceit is relative.
>
> What the heck are you talking about?
>
> >You never did think that the rules
> >applied to you.
>
> What the heck are you talking about?  Who's rules, YOURS, or George's.
>
> >However, I never thought of you as sneaky.
> >Live and learn.
>
> SNEAKY, this coming from a guy who became a dive GOD in three years,
> went off to fight a fake war under a dictators rule after forgetting
> where he came from.  OH BENEDICT, you may kiss my ass SIR.
>
> >Good luck with your new team. After thinking about, I can see that you
> >will fit right in.
>
> I don't need luck helping them to fix DCI's or showing them how to make
> things safer.  I have that skill.  As for fitting in, I think these
> people are some of the nicest in the industry.  I have not commented on
> their diving ability, because I don't speak of things which I do not
> know for fact.  UNLIKE YOU and yours.
>
> Love and kisses
> JOEY
>


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