Hey David, I teach nitrox for a couple of different agencies, one requires dives, one doesn't. If I haven't dived with the student, I require the dives anyway. If the student is someone I'm very familiar and comfortable with in the water, I don't see the importance of doing the nitrox dives with them. They must demonstrate that they can analyze and calculate their MOD correctly as part of the classroom work; as long as they stay above their MOD they're cool. In one case where the dives were not required, the student didn't belong in the water anywhere. Terrible buoyancy control, no buddy skills, perceptual narrowing out the wahzoo. I worked with him on a couple of dives with no sign of improvement in any area. So I called TDI, ended up talking to Bret, told him that the student had done the classroom work and passed the test successfully but I didn't want to certify him due to his in-water performance. I felt like the student would demand to get his card, (legally probably rightfully so) since he did all that was REQUIRED to get the card. Bret said absolutely don't certify him if you see problems, and he would back me up if the student called in to complain. I didn't certify him, he complained loudly to me; I offered to do more pool and lake work with him for no additional cost before trying the nitrox dives again, but I never heard from him again. So even though TDI doesn't require dives, they'll sure back you up if you exceed the standards and find a problem. I'm sure if the student had gone to court, he would have received his card. Richard -----Original Message----- From: David E. Smith [mailto:davidesmith@al*.wp*.ed*] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:24 PM To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: RE: Why/Why Not TDI? I have a couple of discussion prompting questions. Who (and why) out there believes that an actual dive is an important part of a recreational Nitrox course? What about teaching Nitrox as part of the basic openwater course? (I recall one agency's standard stating that was ok as long as the instructor was NOT on Nitrox!) David E. Smith -----Original Message----- From: Steve Schultz [mailto:se2schul@ho*.co*] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:18 PM To: joeldm@mi*.co*; email@example.com Subject: Re: Why/Why Not TDI? I took a TDI nitrox course in 1995 that only covered the theory. I got my card without doing any dives, or even analysing a tank. ss -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `firstname.lastname@example.org'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `email@example.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `firstname.lastname@example.org'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `email@example.com'.
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