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OK, big mouth, since you invoked me in this : tell us all what is NOT idiocy in what occurred on that trip where the person DIED by himself on a rebreather while his stroke instructor got back on the boat? The fact is you do not know the answer, and the fact is you would fail any DIR course and the fact is you don't want to hear it. Ball is in your court - tell us all why that story is not a perfect example of what is wrong out there. ( I love it when people who are "about to take a course" feel the need to tell me how the cow ate the cabbage). -----Original Message----- From: Scuba Pig [mailto:scubapig@co*.ne*] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 12:16 PM To: 'Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com' Subject: RE: [dir-asia] Digest Number 102 I'm sure you guys are going to flame the hell out of me on this one, but I'm sick of listening to the BS that you idiots throw around on the web... I've read a few of JJ's books ((Doing It Right: The Fundamentals of Better Diving, Beyond the Daylight, and Getting Clear on the Basics) and think he's a great writer with a ton of valuable information to share with the diving community. However, most don't want to listen because of the attitude the rest of you bring to the table. I've been considering taking the DIR-F class for quite some time and about the time I get ready to put a deposit down I read some of this crap abou everyone else being an idiot. After reading through the last stream of emails, I noticed a distinct similarity between the "Internet DIR guys" and a hardcore Amway distributor. My apologies to all you Amway distrubutors out there... DIR: If you don't dive DIR you're a stroke or an idiot Amway: If you don't sell soap you're an idiot DIR: Don't dive with strokes Amway: Don't associate with idiots (people not in Amway) DIR: Only buy Halcyon Amway: Only buy Amway DIR: Worship George Amway: Worship your upline If someone out there would teach "DIRF-A: Doing it Right Fundamentals minus the Attitude" you could increase the number of DIR divers by a factor of ten... Enough said. Bruce Wyrwitzke -----Original Message----- From: Brian Hunter [mailto:hunter49689@co*.ne*] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 7:30 AM To: 'George Irvine'; girvine@be*.ne*; 'Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com' Subject: RE: [dir-asia] Digest Number 102 George, You're not telling me any thing I don't already know. IANTD and TDI are idiots, but as I said in the last email if you read the owners manual and it says not to use past a certain depth and someone wants you to you simply thumb it and never dive with these strokes again. People MUST take some responsibility for their own actions. The only person that can look out for your safety 100% is your self. Brian Hunter -----Original Message----- From: George Irvine [mailto:trey@my*.ne*] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 7:35 AM To: Brian Hunter; girvine@be*.ne*; 'Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com' Subject: RE: [dir-asia] Digest Number 102 Brian, these IANTD strokes can't even get what is on page one of any PADI manual - the buddy system. They think it means "Buddy Inspiration". I can not believe Joe Ditturi is "training director" and presides over this collection of clowns. Of course, it is Mouth who is responsible for the attitude of these big tough guys, not Ditturi, but as we can see, Mouth is pushing it off on Ditturi. This who incident just exemplifies what a stroke is ( that IANTD "instructor"), typified what is wrong with dive instruction and tech diving, and the part that none of these IANTD morons or other strokes get is that even the dead guy's wife, who says she is not a diver, clearly sees all the issues that any 5 year old child could understand in this situation. That organization and the next one down the food chain ( TDI ) - if you can indeed rank idiocy, mediocrity, lack of integrity, and level of cavalier attitude about human life - need a wakeup call, and everyone who is participating in and or supporting these morons is part of the problem. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Hunter [mailto:hunter49689@co*.ne*] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 10:47 PM To: girvine@be*.ne*; 'Techdiver@Aquanaut.Com' Subject: RE: [dir-asia] Digest Number 102 Sounds to me like the diver should have took some responsibility and not participate in the dive, if he read the owners manual. Of course we all (SHOULD) know that IANTD is the biggest group of idiots in the training business. I hate to hear of anyone dieing but come on use some common sense, if the manual says not to take the unit past 130fsw don't do it! 99% of YOUR safety is common sense. Brian Hunter a. dive in excess of 200 feet; b. perform a staged decompression dive without any formal training or certification; and c. ignore, or failed to supervise, the rebreather manufacturer's written instructions on depth limits and oxygen mixture levels, were in fact heeded and observed. (To quote the owners manual, "it is designed and manufactured for recreational diving, and MUST NOT be used at depths greater than 130 feet or for staged decompression diving"). 5) On this same trip, there were also at least three other separate rebreather dives my husband Julian carried out with Mr. Santos prior to this last tragic dive, that were also made at depths beyond the rebreather manufacturers warnings and limits. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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