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troll....... At 08:38 AM 4/8/03 -0700, Gene Avakyan wrote: >Kapn Krunch Strikes Back! --or-- Return of the Droid! > >(First - my apologies to the people looking for a discussion of diving - >but I could not pass up this comical opportunity.) > >Proselyte, it seems, does not mean 'a beginner at an activity', but rather >'stranger/newcomer to a religion'. What that has to do with the >experience level of an individual in a given activity is beyond >me. (You've 'outthunk' me again, big guy!) Apparently JT is well-versed >in the New Testament or has dictionaries at his immediate disposal! (As >the queen once remarked - 'We are not amused!') > >Continuing to follow the pearls of wisdom being littered about by the >Kap'n, I attempted to decode another little gem: "neophyte as related to >proselyte". I had no luck and had to give up as no real meaning could be >gleamed from the phrase in question. > >Via a web search I found the following definition: "The English term >'proselyte' occurs only in the New Testament where it signifies a convert >to the Jewish religion (Matthew 23:15; Acts 2:11; 6:5; etc.), though the >same Greek word is commonly used in the Septuagint to designate a foreign >sojourner in Palestine. Thus the term seems to have passed from an >original local and chiefly political sense, in which it was used as early >as 300 B. C., to a technical and religious meaning in the Judaism of the >New Testament epoch.". If that is not an archaic definition I just don't >know what is! A final bit of irony is that all email from the Kap'n comes >from 'MINDSPRING.com'! > >:-) > >Perhaps the word 'troglodyte' is more appropriate. In fact, in trying to >picture someone (who shall remain nameless) attempting to use 'them durn >long words thur', I came across this image: >http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/assets/Troglodyte.jpg (I should warn the >reader to put down any and all drinks first!) > >Whenever someone attempts to sound erudite in vain, funny things are bound >to happen! > > >Gene Avakyan > >(ex-ESL Student, Russian speaker, immigrant.....you get the drift...) > > > >--------------------------------------------- >Direct examination of psychologically healthy people shows pretty clearly >that they are positively attracted to the mysterious, to the unknown, to >the puzzling and unexplained. This is noteworthy because it contrasts >sharply with the psychologically sick person's tendency to be threatened >by the unfamiliar, the ambiguous , the unknown. > >Maslow, "The need to know and the fear of knowing" General Journal of >General Psychology. >--------------------------------------------- >"At least once every human being should have to run for his life, to >teach him that milk does not come from the supermarket, that safety does >not come from policemen, and that news is not something that happens to >other people." - Robert Heinlein >--------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >>From: "Brian Hunter" <hunter49689@co*.ne*> >>To: "'Capt JT'" <captjt@mi*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >>Subject: RE: neophyte definition >>Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:34:40 -0400 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Received: from mc9-f23.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.166.30]) by >>mc9-s7.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 7 Apr >>2003 19:06:08 -0700 >>Received: from fulton.opal.com ([198.3.124.1]) by >>mc9-f23.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 7 >>Apr 2003 19:04:44 -0700 >>Received: (mail@lo*) by fulton.opal.com (8.12.5/jr6.1) for >>techdiver_x@aquanaut.comid h381Hmch007449; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:17:48 -0400 >>Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net (lakemtao01.cox.net [68.1.17.244]) by >>fulton.opal.com (8.12.5/jr6.1) with ESMTP for <techdiver@aquanaut.com>id >>h380Z55Y006492; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:35:06 -0400 >>Received: from brian5w8khys98 ([68.13.203.62]) by lakemtao01.cox.net >> (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP >> id <20030408003436.RORX8337.lakemtao01.cox.net@br*>; >>Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:34:36 -0400 >>X-Message-Info: BVVQfv+dWoNGDvYIfOP2i6xEeqwdXnfJ >>Precedence: bulk >>Errors-To: owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com >>Message-ID: <000701c2fd66$a73316f0$3ecb0d44@br*> >>X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 >>In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20030407170830.0206a940@po*.mi*.co*> >>Importance: Normal >>Return-Path: owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com >>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2003 02:04:45.0046 (UTC) >>FILETIME=[39AC6160:01C2FD73] >> >> Yep that's about the way I see it. >>Brian Hunter >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Capt JT [mailto:captjt@mi*.co*] >>Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 7:00 PM >>To: Brian Hunter; techdiver@aquanaut.com >>Subject: neophyte definition >> >>Brian, the definition of neophyte is 1) a new convert: proselyte >>2)novice >>3)beginner >>Proselyte: a new covert to a religion,belief, or party. >> >>My uses cover all depending on who I am talking to, you can be >>experienced >>in diving and I may call you neophyte as related to proselyte in regards >>to >>DIR diving as it would be new to you. The inexperience in diving >>neophyte >>is truly a novice/beginner. >>You fall into all and it is an easy call on you. >>First lets talk about truth, anyone who will publicly claim to always >>have >>perfect dives is just blowing smoke or having fun. Anyone who believes >>this, is a neophyte. Anyone who cannot accept the fact that they are not >> >>ready when the majority says other will not ever break out of the >>neophyte >>status. I do not mean the bullshit that gets posted on these list. >>Lets look at the VBtech meeting the other night. There were 3 there that >>I >>had called neophyte on the net or emails in private. Each fit one or >>more >>of the definitions stated and clearly at least one was a neophyte in >>regards to team and trust. >>Now why you still are labeled neophyte, when you came to dive with us >>for >>the first time you asked Tom to sign your log book......he quickly noted >> >>and told me the number of logged dives you had and you stated nothing >>past >>130ft to me. Now you have signed up with Dave for Trimix and told him >>something different so to seem more qualified for the class. Clearly we >>talk to each other and the safety of the divers is our concern. At the >>end >>of the meeting you were under the impression we were doing or planning >>dives without including you. And pressed the issue on weather we would >>let >>you go. Never did you hear, even as it was said by almost everyone that >>we >>could not turn you loose on certain dives, we do many many more shallow >>dives than deep as this will prepare you better in the long run. You >>could >>not understand that someone in our group is always on the boats and >>there >>are no secret dives. I may chose to hold off on details of my personal >>plans as to many rumors are passed by those who think it is inside info >>or >>cool to pass on. The way you break out of the neophyte status is trust, >>who >>is willing to trust their life with you on a technical dive and not be >>paid >>by you to do it. Clearly on a dive of a technical nature which depths >>exceed your mental and skills capabilities no diver but of equal status >>will want to dive with you. Because you will be the weak link and risk >>of >>the dive. The experienced diver will know that he can help you, but you >>will be of little help to him in a crisis thus a majority of his dive >>will >>be baby sitting and worry, thus placing limits on his own dive >>perimeters. >>Time at depth has a direct relationship to ones comfort zone. >>Often divers will push this comfort zone as long as they can handle the >>mental aspects of it, those that can't handle it will injure themselves >>during a crisis while never able to hold it together long enough to >>solve >>the problem. Most problems solved are only a buddy away. >> >>Hope I was able to explain my view on this and there are not many errors >>have a nice day >> >> >> At 02:59 PM 4/7/03 -0400, Brian Hunter wrote: >> >Well JT, since I am new to diving deeper I would like to know what it >> >takes to break out of the "neophyte" status. I believe you even called >> >me this once. So please tell us. >> > I think Mike has made some good points. I don't think that the F ups >> >one makes in the past should count against anyone as long as they learn >> >from them and don't continue doing it over and over expecting different >> >results. I think this is what some leaders in the DIR community define >> >as a stroke. >> > Hopefully the "Truth" will prevail in the end. >> > Brian >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Michael Barnette [mailto:aocfishman@ho*.co*] >> >Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 1:22 PM >> >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com >> >Subject: JT, the artful dodger >> > >> >Well howdy to you JT - >> > >> >Golly gee, I guess I got your number of dives wrong. Pray tell, just >> >how >> >many dives below 150fsw have you done? I don't want to get it wrong or >> >put >> >words in your mouth (I wouldn't know where to begin), so just answer >> >this >> >one nagging question with a number. That should be pretty simple, even >> >for >> >a flunkie like you. >> > >> >The heat is not on me. You can try and say that I am the one suffering >> >here >> >and "twisting", but I think the entire list sees what is going on here. >> >I >> >am really enjoying this. I have been straight-forward, truthful, and >> >open >> >about my diving history. You on the other hand have been nebulous, >> >obfuscatory, and deceptive. Just give us a number and we will leave it >> >at >> >that. As I stated, even if you double the number of dives from your >> >list >> >and the ones that showed up as trip reports on VBTECH and TECHDIVER, it >> >is >> >still well below 100. I am sure we all understand that there are some >> >40-50 >> >dives that are somehow unaccounted for due to you not yapping about >> >them, >> >being as modest as you are and all. The truth is your website is more >> >accurate than you think or want to believe right now. >> > >> >By the way, who was your trimix instructor, what agency were you >> >certified >> >through, and what is your trimix card number? >> > >> >JT, don't worry, we are not trying to emulate you or "keep up." We all >> >understand that this is not a competitive sport and there is no need to >> >"keep up." Obviously you don't. I am perfectly content doing my >> >"weenie" >> >dives and documenting new, unexplored shipwrecks. >> > >> >Is anyone keeping count of the number of times JT has tried to worm out >> >of >> >answering how many technical dives he has done? I am sure it exceeds >> >the >> >number of his technical dives.... >> > >> >Your turn JT...I told you this would not go away. >> > >> >Standing by, >> >Mike >> > >> >Michael C. Barnette >> >Association of Underwater Explorers >> >Because it's there...somewhere...maybe. >> >http://www.mikey.net/aue >> > >> > >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> >The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* >> >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> > >> >-- >> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >>`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >>`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >> >>"You can't learn to dive on the net, sooner or later you have to get in >>the >>water" >>Your Guide to Great Wreck Diving along the East Coast & more >> Web Site http://www.capt-jt.com/ >>Email captjt@mi*.co* >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. 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